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In Reply to: Movies: story vs. art posted by Victor Khomenko on July 28, 2000 at 08:56:50:
Victor, you're a much more sophisticated observer than I am. But I must disagree a bit here. It's true that if a story is not well portrayed by the actors and director, then it's not impressive. However, the story is really the subtance and all the actors and director do is to illustrate it just right, no more or less. Over(under) acting, over(under) camera works would only take away from the story.I can understand why one might rather see a well-excuted film than a badly portrayed story. However, a well executed film without a story to tell is at most interesting. A great movie, such as Dr. Zhivago, is one with a great story to tell; and it's told well. Taking away the story from it, i'm not so sure if it's still as good.
***But I must disagree a bit here. It's true that if a story is not well portrayed by the actors and director, then it's not impressive. However, the story is really the subtance and all the actors and director do is to illustrate it just right, no more or less. Over(under) acting, over(under) camera works would only take away from the story.caa, nowhere did I say that a story has no place in movies and art in general. If it was not stated clearly, then what I mean is simply that artwork DOESN'T NEED a story behind it. It can use it and many good movies have done so, but this is not a must. Of course, all this rests on our definition of what the "story" is. I don't see any "story" in Autumn Sonata, but would inderstand someone seeing one there.
***I can understand why one might rather see a well-excuted film than a badly portrayed story. However, a well executed film without a story to tell is at most interesting. A great movie, such as Dr. Zhivago, is one with a great story to tell; and it's told well. Taking away the story from it, i'm not so sure if it's still as good.
It is interesting that you brought up that movie - because both the movie and the story it is based on are controversial. By many Pasternak lovers it is considered so much below his level that it is rejected as something that should be forgotten. Given his standing in Russian poetry this is not surprising.
I never liked the novel, and was at first quite negative on the movie as well. Having seen it more than once I had grown somewhat accustomed to it and the last time we watched I didn't dislike it at all.
... That is for your own culture. One that you used to wear like a tattered familiar shirt. Surroundings where you know people you grew up with. Lonesome for your own sense of personal history where the past is just a block away.
Coming home to Delaware is always nice.My wife always gets emotional at US passport control.
... CCCP MUST've Fucked YOU hard fast & continuously!You wouldn't happen to be jewish, would you?
Always happy to know them. They are some of the most intense people I know. Usually I need to hang around chain smokers to have an alert crowd with lively conversation. Everyone else seems to be running in slow motion to me.
***CCCP MUST've Fucked YOU hard fast & continuously!Ah, about average, I would say. I was more concerned not with what was done to me, but with what the bastards were doing to the whole country.
***You wouldn't happen to be jewish, would you?No, and one would not need to be Jewish to be abused, much like one would not need to be Jewish to win the Nobel prize... although it certainly seems to help in both cases...:-)
or just plain slow is how most...(i dont want to be flamed so I wont agree any more with you mart).
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