"Dear Comrades!" From Andrei Konchalovsky, the

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Posted on May 30, 2021 at 09:50:17

tinear
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sometime Hollywood/Russian film director, comes this devastating look at the massacre of a group of protesting workers in a small factory town in Russia. The story is told from the point of view of a civic leader who is vocal in calling for the violent suppression of the workers--- until she realizes her daughter was in the midst of the protest when shots rang out.

What makes this interesting is that the event itself wasn't reported for many years--- many observers were "disappeared" as well as many of the participants. Even more intriguing: Putin laid a wreath at the site commemorating the massacre a few years ago--- yet he was a member of the organization responsible.

In a land purportedly all about worker rights, it was obviously explosive to have the government involved in a deadly attack upon unhappy workers: first off, workers weren't supposed to be discontented; secondly, the military was supposed to be part of the "workers' struggle."

Very good acting across the board. Hulu

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Good film...

MaxwellP

11:07:06 05/31/21

I prefer Laurel and Hardy

Jay Buridan

06:18:39 05/31/21

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"Grim?" Man's will overcoming hardship isn't so, to me. nt

tinear

08:38:17 05/31/21

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Good film...

MaxwellP

11:07:06 05/31/21

I prefer Laurel and Hardy

Jay Buridan

06:18:39 05/31/21

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"Grim?" Man's will overcoming hardship isn't so, to me. nt

tinear

08:38:17 05/31/21

You don't see man's will overcoming hardship in Laurel and Hardy

Jay Buridan

12:45:13 05/31/21

Putin was ten years old when that incident occurred [nt]

Chris from Lafayette

12:21:37 05/30/21

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..... and it made him the KGB assassin he is today. *

Billy Wonka

13:31:37 06/02/21

So? nt

tinear

13:29:56 05/30/21

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So what's your point? [nt]

Chris from Lafayette

15:21:01 05/30/21

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Why is his age pertinent to my comments? nt

tinear

06:15:11 05/31/21

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Prolly cuz you mentioned Putin in the OP

Jay Buridan

13:52:20 05/31/21

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"just like here". You got to be kidding... nt

Victor Khomenko

14:57:42 05/31/21

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IME unions are weak due to Taft-Hartley

Jay Buridan

16:46:08 05/31/21

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I never stops surprising me...

Victor Khomenko

19:08:31 05/31/21

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Victor, here's a test of your reading comprehension :)

Jay Buridan

18:55:24 06/01/21

I will stick to my statement.

Victor Khomenko

07:41:12 06/02/21

RE: I never stops surprising me...

rivervalley817

20:07:59 05/31/21

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Main adversary? That would, by a longshot, be China. nt

tinear

05:30:49 06/01/21

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RE: Main adversary? That would, by a longshot, be China. nt

rivervalley817

10:14:31 06/01/21

Main adversary, not much of a threat-- for the immediate future. Simply

tinear

11:52:11 06/01/21

Not knowing about them is whole lot better than spreading nonsense nt

Victor Khomenko

05:30:28 06/01/21

RE: Not knowing about them is whole lot better than spreading nonsense nt

rivervalley817

10:05:10 06/01/21

Again I ask, what point were you making in your OP? [nt]

Chris from Lafayette

10:40:05 05/31/21

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It is rude to answer a question with another.

tinear

11:58:24 05/31/21

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My question was about your OP, so let's start with your OP

Chris from Lafayette

13:01:10 05/31/21

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My post simply stated Putin laid a wreath. You said he was 10 at the time

tinear

17:53:33 05/31/21

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You said more than that

Chris from Lafayette

01:23:28 06/01/21

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Your quarrel is with Konahalovsky, He prominently mentioned the wreath-laying.

tinear

05:35:29 06/01/21

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I'll defer to his motives too - not your interpretation of them

Chris from Lafayette

10:43:19 06/01/21

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What motives? Konchalovsky included it in the film. You need to ask, "why?"

tinear

15:28:08 06/03/21

YOU were the one who brought up motives - read your own posts

Chris from Lafayette

00:30:11 06/04/21

RE: My question was about your OP, so let's start with your OP

Vegman70

17:15:38 05/31/21

Putin was ten years old when that incident occurred [nt], posted on May 30, 2021 at 12:21:37
Chris from Lafayette Audiophile Posts: 26483 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: February 17, 2004 Contributor Since: February 6, 2012

So? nt, posted on May 30, 2021 at 13:29:56
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	d

So what's your point? [nt], posted on May 30, 2021 at 15:21:01
Chris from Lafayette Audiophile Posts: 26483 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: February 17, 2004 Contributor Since: February 6, 2012

Why is his age pertinent to my comments? nt, posted on May 31, 2021 at 06:15:11
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	d

I prefer Laurel and Hardy, posted on May 31, 2021 at 06:18:39
Jay Buridan Audiophile Posts: 10284 Location: Michigan Joined: January 21, 2004	Honestly, I avoid grim films. I know the world is full of man's inhumanity to man, and don't care to watch it. Once time a co-worker recommended that I watch a film about the rape of Nanking. I thought WTF? No thank you. P.S. I have been to a Holocaust Museum. "Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. " ― W.C. Fields

"Grim?" Man's will overcoming hardship isn't so, to me. nt, posted on May 31, 2021 at 08:38:17
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	d

Again I ask, what point were you making in your OP? [nt], posted on May 31, 2021 at 10:40:05
Chris from Lafayette Audiophile Posts: 26483 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: February 17, 2004 Contributor Since: February 6, 2012

Good film..., posted on May 31, 2021 at 11:07:06
MaxwellP Audiophile Posts: 1623 Location: New York Joined: September 19, 2007	Hard to believe he directed Tango & Cash.

It is rude to answer a question with another. , posted on May 31, 2021 at 11:58:24
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	If you care to respond to my original question, I'd be happy to continue.

You don't see man's will overcoming hardship in Laurel and Hardy, posted on May 31, 2021 at 12:45:13
Jay Buridan Audiophile Posts: 10284 Location: Michigan Joined: January 21, 2004	And I don't care to see it in movies. Just something that makes me laugh. But YMMV. "Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. " ― W.C. Fields

My question was about your OP, so let's start with your OP, posted on May 31, 2021 at 13:01:10
Chris from Lafayette Audiophile Posts: 26483 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: February 17, 2004 Contributor Since: February 6, 2012	What point do you think you were making with reference to Putin in your OP? I pointed out the Putin was 10 years old at the time of the incident in this movie, so I'm interested (kind of) in what point you thought you were making. Or not.

Prolly cuz you mentioned Putin in the OP, posted on May 31, 2021 at 13:52:20

Jay Buridan
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The linked article gives a more pertinent overview of the present working class in Russia where trade unions are weak just like here.

"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields

Labor Under Putin: The State of the Russian Working Class

"just like here". You got to be kidding... nt, posted on May 31, 2021 at 14:57:42
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IME unions are weak due to Taft-Hartley, posted on May 31, 2021 at 16:46:08
Jay Buridan Audiophile Posts: 10284 Location: Michigan Joined: January 21, 2004	And weak because the "leaders" are venal and corrupt. Strikes in Russia always are illegal, and yet they happen often which is a healthy sign. It used to be that way in the US when strong unions were creating the middle class which now has largely disappeared. Now they act like pussy cats. "Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. " ― W.C. Fields

RE: My question was about your OP, so let's start with your OP, posted on May 31, 2021 at 17:15:38
Vegman70 Audiophile Posts: 217 Location: N.E. Ohio Joined: February 20, 2016	You questioned his credibility. Putin is a controversial subject in ruling circles of the US. Tin's just following in the "accepted" critique of Putin by "authorities" in the US gov. and media. "Pootie" Putin critiques go as far back as 1991 with the lodge brotherhood. One thing IMO in Putin's favor is his getting Assad of Syria to decommission Syria's chemical weapons of mass destruction.

My post simply stated Putin laid a wreath. You said he was 10 at the time, posted on May 31, 2021 at 17:53:33
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	the incident occurred. I don't see what that has to do with my post. Putin was long time KGB. KGB was implicated in the massacre, i.e. the snipers in the film were KGB. I think it's interesting that he'd lay a wreath, a gesture of mourning, at the site. Was he pretending the KGB wasn't responsible? Now, what did you mean by your mentioning his age?

I never stops surprising me..., posted on May 31, 2021 at 19:08:31

Victor Khomenko
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...how little people here know about their main adversary.

Next someone is going to mention free education and no unemployment.

RE: I never stops surprising me..., posted on May 31, 2021 at 20:07:59
rivervalley817	'how little people here know about their main adversary' know about them? there's about 41% don't even recognize them Victor with regards,

You said more than that, posted on June 1, 2021 at 01:23:28

Chris from Lafayette
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This is what you said:

"Putin laid a wreath at the site commemorating the massacre a few years ago--- yet he was a member of the organization responsible."

It's obvious that you were attempting to make a connection between the incident in the movie and Putin. I mentioned Putin's age at the time of the incident to indicate that Putin himself had NO connection with that incident. And your question in this last post (Was he pretending the KGB wasn't responsible?) finally reveals what you were really trying to imply: that Putin was "pretending that the KGB was not responsible", which is nothing more than pure, useless speculation on your part.

Not knowing about them is whole lot better than spreading nonsense nt, posted on June 1, 2021 at 05:30:28
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Main adversary? That would, by a longshot, be China. nt, posted on June 1, 2021 at 05:30:49
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	ju

Your quarrel is with Konahalovsky, He prominently mentioned the wreath-laying. , posted on June 1, 2021 at 05:35:29
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	I'll defer to his motives and the pertinency over yours. Next time, turn the gun around before shooting unless you enjoy self-inflicted wounds.

RE: Not knowing about them is whole lot better than spreading nonsense nt, posted on June 1, 2021 at 10:05:10
rivervalley817	depending on the spin involved that may be true though when it comes to threat assessment history shows that overreaction will serve better that complacency but neither has any place in diplomacy so there's always that best regards,

RE: Main adversary? That would, by a longshot, be China. nt, posted on June 1, 2021 at 10:14:31

rivervalley817

apply some nuance and you might see them as still being emergent

take into consideration the world's petrol based economy before giving weight to a gov't controlled cheap labor pool ... because that is their threat ... cheap labor is always a threat to democracy, and that's existed in proximity with the 'southern sphere' of influence, just not under total gov't control as in China

now, if China had oil too, boy howdy would the western world poop their pants

with regards,

I'll defer to his motives too - not your interpretation of them, posted on June 1, 2021 at 10:43:19
Chris from Lafayette Audiophile Posts: 26483 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: February 17, 2004 Contributor Since: February 6, 2012	Talk about turning the gun around. . .

Main adversary, not much of a threat-- for the immediate future. Simply, posted on June 1, 2021 at 11:52:11
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	put, the US is its own worst enemy.

Victor, here's a test of your reading comprehension :), posted on June 1, 2021 at 18:55:24

Jay Buridan
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Just two easy multiple choice questions.

I stated the following:

1. Which of the following has weak trade unions?
A. Russia but not the U.S.
B. The U.S. but not Russia.
C. Both Russia and the U.S.
D. Neither Russia nor the U.S.

2. Which of the following has lots of wildcat strikes?
A. Russia but not the U.S.
B. The U.S. but not Russia.
C. Both Russia and the U.S.
D. Neither Russia nor the U.S.

The correct answers are C and A.

If you answered both correctly, then you don't need a free education.

"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields

I will stick to my statement. , posted on June 2, 2021 at 07:41:12

Victor Khomenko
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You really have no idea what is happening inside the Russia.

Note: I am giving you an easy way out.

*..... and it made him the KGB assassin he is today. , posted on June 2, 2021 at 13:31:37**
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What motives? Konchalovsky included it in the film. You need to ask, "why?" , posted on June 3, 2021 at 15:28:08
tinear Audiophile Posts: 65782 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: April 9, 2006	Most people don't. It's rather obvious.

YOU were the one who brought up motives - read your own posts, posted on June 4, 2021 at 00:30:11
Chris from Lafayette Audiophile Posts: 26483 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: February 17, 2004 Contributor Since: February 6, 2012	You think you're the only one who asks "why?" - You flatter yourself.

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