The new Death Wish looks like it might be good.

It better be!, posted on August 4, 2017 at 16:13:02
dwill123 Audiophile Posts: 2162 Location: Philadelphia Joined: September 7, 2003	The 1974 Charles Bronson original "Death Wish" is one of those iconic cult type of films. Not an award garnering movie with acting that was ok at best. But it was timed just right (70s) and contained just enough vigilantism to make it interesting (and you can't beat that soundtrack by Herbie Hancock). I like Bruce Willis but the trailer looks a bit over done. We'll see.

Already growing back lash just based on the first trailer . . ., posted on August 4, 2017 at 17:31:52

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Cries of alt-right, racist, and fascist have already been unleashed on some public media.

Nobody has a sense of humor anymore. Moving the plot to Chicago is screaming for "whites to come kill blacks"! One wacko said the trailer will give alt-right guys a boner before it's over.

I dunno, serious movie-making in the USA is officially dead. I'm guessing this will now skip the theater and hit Red Box like most of Bruce's epics.

Willis is too soft for this role., posted on August 4, 2017 at 21:08:44
free.ranger Audiophile Posts: 16951 Location: Santa Fe, NM Joined: April 8, 2004 Contributor Since: January 7, 2005	He doesn't carry the pain, menace, and anguish, the harder edge that Bronson had. He did such a good job with the Die Hard series; the wise-cracking, laugh at danger bravado. Watching this trailer, I feel like I'm seeing the latest episode. If it wasn't a remake, I'm sure it would be a fine flick without the comparisons.

RE: Already growing back lash just based on the first trailer . . ., posted on August 5, 2017 at 05:31:11

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The original Death Wish premise benefited by being released during the lawless NYC 70's - and in my opinion the film hasn't aged well as a serious piece of work or as a credible political statement. It's ridiculous!

That said, Charles Bronson was still in his prime back then and his silent focus was believable. Willis on the other hand is at his best when he's slightly over his head, apprehensively rising to the occasion.

I can't imagine him in this role.

Maybe Willis can channel his character in Pulp Fiction....nt, posted on August 5, 2017 at 05:44:01
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RE: Maybe Willis can channel his character in Pulp Fiction....nt, posted on August 5, 2017 at 05:59:16
Dr Phibes Audiophile Posts: 195 Location: Brooklyn Joined: September 7, 2008	Good point and thanks for the reply and thread. But I never believed he was "Butch"... he is always Bruce Willis. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. And that was over 20 years ago.

I'll tell him you said that. Nt, posted on August 5, 2017 at 07:38:25
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Tell him I'm out of town for forseeable future., posted on August 5, 2017 at 09:47:42
free.ranger Audiophile Posts: 16951 Location: Santa Fe, NM Joined: April 8, 2004 Contributor Since: January 7, 2005	Brokering the sale of a small town in Idaho.

Alt-right..., posted on August 5, 2017 at 10:00:10
mkuller Audiophile Posts: 38130 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: April 22, 2003	>Cries of alt-right, racist, and fascist have already been unleashed on some public media. Nobody has a sense of humor anymore.> When it comes to racism and fascism, those aren't laughing matters. Especially given the current political climate.

RE: Alt-right..., posted on August 5, 2017 at 12:20:41
Billy Wonka Audiophile Posts: 3760 Joined: April 25, 2013 Contributor Since: October 15, 2013	We have just been through eight years of racist and fascist rule and it still shows through our film making. We have the most propagandized film industry since Germany prior to WW2. It's done an amazing job on you.

RE: it looks fun...the Chicago venue seems very timely.., posted on August 5, 2017 at 12:38:53

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Highest murder rates in the country are in Chicago the past year or so. We've got a far-side-of-middle aged white-guy / architect going around shooting, and other-wise putting to death, the low-life types that murdered his wife....again? Looks like. Just like in 1972 with Bronson.

re: that first movie. I find, these days, that to view movies from the seventies I need to get in a frame of mind that will allow me to over-look the style and approach to film-making common to that time. And this movie is typical of that. It is the same with that other popular Bronson flick; The Mechanic.

At the time there was lots of conversation in the lunch room about Death Wish. It must have been somewhat ground breaking for its time since it got so much attention from us 'dogs on the street' types.

-Steve

Alt-right..., posted on August 5, 2017 at 13:23:57
mkuller Audiophile Posts: 38130 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: April 22, 2003	...stop watching the alt-right fake news. You have it backasswards. He was a black president and some had difficulty with that.

RE: The new Death Wish looks like it might be good., posted on August 5, 2017 at 20:51:46
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15518 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	Could never beat out Charles Bronson. He owned that series of great crime-drama films. Like the Dirty Harry series, CB, had excellent humor as he killed off scumbags.

Oh please....that's just silly. That's a zonka Wonka! //Nt, posted on August 6, 2017 at 04:02:54
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RE: The new Death Wish looks like it might be good. (rambling), posted on August 6, 2017 at 11:49:29

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Bronson has a film persona that made for a perfect chemistry in the original film. His seemingly inbred humility made him the ideal broken man. Whereas Willis always has similarly strong persona, but it's built on a smug, throwaway self confidence and charm. I don't think it's right for the part, if the filmmakers want to create an updated homage to the original. Bronson always had a coal miner type strength, and underneath so much more. Think of the fighter in "Hard Times' or as Danny the Tunnel King in "The Great Escape." He was a tough guy, but you could feel his inner pain. You gotta remember the era when the first DW came out. NYC was a city in trouble; dirty, failing and out of control, one step ahead of bankruptcy. He had the craggy, beat up face that well represented that battle. Now Bronson rode that franchise into the ground, like Willis did with "Die Hard." All that said, this is a different era, and this new film will probably be the right reboot for this type of "old guy as hero" concept. I hope it's great, actually.

See how effective it's been? You don't even realize . . ., posted on August 6, 2017 at 12:47:44
Billy Wonka Audiophile Posts: 3760 Joined: April 25, 2013 Contributor Since: October 15, 2013	what's being fed to you from the silver screen.

Just so everybody realizes, posted on August 6, 2017 at 13:14:26

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The director of the new Death Wish is not just some random dude. He's Eli Roth. He is mostly know for directing the flic Hostel but also for his role in Tarrantino's Inglourious Basterds. Eli Roth was the the guy who flew out of the cave or whatever with a baseball bat, I think it was a Louisville Slugger but I could be mistaken, when Brad Pitt called him to come out because he, Brad Pitt, was having difficulty extracting information from two captured German soldiers who were sitting there with hands tied behind their backs. When Eli Roth's character bashes the first Germans brains in with the Louisville Slugger the second one sings like a canary: troops movements, number of troops, number of tanks, what have you.

Sorry my friend, I appreciate your reviews, but I don't go..., posted on August 6, 2017 at 15:17:01
MaxwellP Audiophile Posts: 1622 Location: New York Joined: September 19, 2007	To every silly movie that comes out the way you do. That would give anyone paranoid delusions. You're best when you stick to the celluloid and not try to interpret history. Put some extra butter on that popcorn and enjoy the movie...

I'm looking forward to it ..., posted on August 6, 2017 at 15:37:07
reelsmith. Audiophile Posts: 13131 Location: CT Joined: June 7, 2005 Contributor Since: January 19, 2010	...and think in these times Willis is a good choice. I think Jason Statham might have been a better choice, but perhaps not for the box office. Dean. reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.

You fink! NT, posted on August 6, 2017 at 16:28:55
Dr Phibes Audiophile Posts: 195 Location: Brooklyn Joined: September 7, 2008	You fink! NT

That didn't help., posted on August 6, 2017 at 16:41:56
grantv Manufacturer Posts: 7724 Location: B.C. Joined: January 15, 2002	Never seen Hostel (nor will I), and never seen a QT film that I liked. I don't mind Bruce Willis in certain roles, unsure this one suits him, but ya never know.

RE: That didn't help., posted on August 7, 2017 at 05:32:30
geoffkait	Did you like Willis in Moonlighting? :-)

RE: Thinking you were sarcastic I started to laugh, posted on August 7, 2017 at 17:45:12
thegage Audiophile Posts: 1157 Location: Western Mass. Joined: April 29, 2000	then I realized you were serious. Sad!

RE: Alt-right..., posted on August 8, 2017 at 16:50:43
semuta Audiophile Posts: 2137 Location: northern california Joined: December 4, 2002	So don't watch it. I am sure there are some nice romantic comedies that will not offend you.

RE: Alt-right..., posted on August 9, 2017 at 11:22:15
mkuller Audiophile Posts: 38130 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: April 22, 2003	...my post is about his views and maybe yours - not the film.

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