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Posted on June 11, 2017 at 15:51:44
Jim Pearce
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 I replaced my 14 year old Pioneer Elite Pro-1000 HD 50" plasma with a new 55" LG C7 OLED. In the same place, over the mantle. Thing is, the 55" had to be placed about 4" higher and tilts down a few degrees. Of course it is effectively frameless while the old Pioneer had a heavy gloss black frame and was mounted dead flush. We sit on a couch against the wall 12' away.

The result was that with sources heavy to center channel - movies, TV - it markedly changed the ratio of direct to reflected sound. So much so that the reverberations were creating the dreaded "soap opera" effect. Luckily I was able to rearrange some furniture etc. enough to more or less increase the direct sound to restore the balance. I hate to admit it but it took me a day to figure it out. These large frameless TVs can be an acoustic nightmare. Now I'm glad my wife didn't let me buy a 65".

 

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RE: who knew?, posted on June 12, 2017 at 04:22:02
Jack G
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 So how's the OLED?
Jack

 

RE: who knew?, posted on June 12, 2017 at 07:12:47
mrdavis842
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 The difference in sound affect was probably more likely due to the 4" rise and tilt than the screen size and borders. It would have been interesting to take out the tilt and see what changed. I think you are confusing the soap opera effect with something else. It is purely a video effect caused when motion correction makes the picture frames look [too] smooth making movies (film) look like soap operas (video).

Just curious, what was your and your wife's initial take on the differences between the two TV's pictures when watching your first couple of movies?

 

too far away Jack..., posted on June 12, 2017 at 07:13:44
Jim Pearce
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 But now I'm glad my wife didn't let me buy a 65" - she keeps flowers and stuff on the mantle - imagine what a sound reflector that would be! So far I'm running it in defaults other than turning some Auto stuff off. Blacks and colours are remarkable even though I have no UHD sources, let alone HDR. Upscaling is very nice - I'm using the Oppo BDP-95 to take DVDs to 1080p, and the TV to take them to 4K and they've never looked better. There is still some motion blur in fast action; the Samsung plasma in the bedroom will remain my go to for hockey. I was a little shocked at the cheap captive power cord - but what can you expect for $2999 Canadian delivered, mounted and installed? Even after I buy a UHD player, replace the old Anthem AVM 20 pre-pro and have it ISF calibrated the total bill will be thousands less than the Elite was 14 years ago.

 

can't take the tilt out..., posted on June 12, 2017 at 08:12:28
Jim Pearce
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 It's just the way the TV sits on the cheap fixed mount. Anyway, it is better for viewing.

My wife only watched one movie - "The Year of Living Dangerously" - which is a problematic DVD, but a great movie. She thought it looked better than ever, even though I resisted tweaking it with some noise reduction.

 

Good to know, posted on June 12, 2017 at 10:31:36
Jack G
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 There's a good chance my next TV will be OLED, but hopefully my 65" Panny ZT60 will last a while yet. Or at least long enough until 65" ones are cheaper. :-)
Jack

 

postscript..., posted on June 12, 2017 at 17:51:47
Jim Pearce
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 I found a setting in the CNET review that eliminates all "soap opera effect" and motion blur from the video. It is as simple as setting TruMotion to "User" (custom) and using the default settings. Why this isn't the default setting for the TV is beyond my ken. I honestly see no reason to prefer my 2015 Samsung plasma for action now. Currently I'm watching "The Fellowship of the Ring" and see no artifacts.

 

Excellent! (nt), posted on June 13, 2017 at 04:33:47
Jack G
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by the way, I'm not the only one..., posted on June 13, 2017 at 06:53:43
Jim Pearce
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 I should have known that I was getting some soap opera effect in the video, but this causes the sound synching in the film to lose its visual punctuation which in turn causes the sound to resemble the direct recording from video in early soaps. Doing a little research I found that I'm not the only audiophile who notices soap opera effect from its audio effects first. Maybe we should call it audiophile synesthesia? Anyway, thanks for the clue as it turned out that I was fighting with two distinct audio degradations, only one of which had a direct acoustic cause.

 

I don't like looking up at a TV screen-, posted on June 14, 2017 at 21:05:13
oldmkvi
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 Mine's on a stand, almost 3 feet tall, and I can look directly at it.
It's not in the Living Room, tho.
My speakers (stereo only) are sticking out in front of the screen.
No reflections that I can hear.
I don't suppose any of this is of any use to you, however!

 

RE: who knew?, posted on June 15, 2017 at 01:18:01
fantja
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 Jim-
you owned the best in that Pioneer Elite Plasma.

 

I have one too, don't look forward to, posted on June 15, 2017 at 06:50:31
oldmkvi
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 replacing it.
It's 5 or 6 years old now.

 

it was a great tv fantja..., posted on June 15, 2017 at 10:15:08
Jim Pearce
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 And at 12' 720p through component looked just as good as a 55" 4K OLED will. Plus it was ISF calibrated. Unfortunately the screen started to deteriorate in the top left corner (it took on a light green stain even when turned off) and the power supply was acting up too - clouds of bright green pixels were showing up in high illumination areas in the top center.

The Elite was an in-store demo for several months and then got heavy usage in our house for fourteen years. Despite the fact that the C7 has the best screen you can buy today I just can't see it lasting fifteen years.

 

Me either., posted on July 2, 2017 at 20:10:12
Harmonia
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 Above the fireplace is the only option for us in our current LR set-up. Hate it.

 

Nor I., posted on July 5, 2017 at 13:17:01
grantv
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 One of the benefits of not having a fireplace, often much better options for TV placement.

 

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