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Prices on tv's these days are astonishing

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Posted on September 9, 2017 at 11:09:14
mbnx01
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 I was at Costco the other day and saw a 50" Samsung LCD set for $450.

Seriously. $450. Amazing. A 65" is $999. And not some off brand, that's a Samsung or LG.

The OLED 55" set I've been watching was $2500 - now it's $1999.

How long can this go on?


'A lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on'. -Mark Twain

 

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RE: Prices on tv's these days are astonishing, posted on September 10, 2017 at 07:17:22
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 Hopefully, it keeps getting cheaper until my 65" plasma gives up the ghost. I'l replace it with a 65-70" OLED which, right now, is beyond my budget.


-Wendell

 

Just bought a Sansung 58" 4K HDR UHD Smart TV for $549..., posted on September 10, 2017 at 12:46:39
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 for my son who is moving out soon. It was a Frys promo code deal. The same Sansung was $699 at Costco.

The picture is so insanely great, I'm wondering why I'm holding out for a cheap, but fantastic 75" OLED.

-Rod

 

I'll never buy another Samsung TV., posted on September 10, 2017 at 17:54:20
Mr. Dick Hertz
 Four years ago I bought the last of the top end Samsung plasmas. The power supply board gave out a couple of weeks ago. There were NO replacement boards available. After four years, no replacement parts? Samsung customer service was NO help at all. They could have cared less. Almost $1800 down the shitter. No more Samsungs and no more expensive TV's for me. Just not worth it.

 

RE: I'll never buy another Samsung TV., posted on September 10, 2017 at 20:53:20
Coner
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 Agree...the plasma's over 51" seemed to be very problematic, even
(some) 51"ers had "pink blotching" issues after a few years. My buddy
got one of the last 60" plasma's, and just stored it in a closet as a spare. Fired it up recently and it had fatal screen issues, washed out
and pink blotching. Ridiculous!. No more Samsung's for us.

 

RE: I'll never buy another Samsung TV., posted on September 10, 2017 at 21:39:33
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 As TVs become more commodity and more complex at the same time, it seems quality and 'longevity' is going down the tubes.
Family bought 19" Trinitron when they were new. Set lasted until you simply could no longer get the mechanical tuner parts needed for fix. Maybe 20 years?

My Sony SXRD rear projector lasted a few years, thru the first lamp and than started going South due to light engine problems. Even though SONY was a Major Patent Holder in that space. Didn't they know the plastic filters were junk? Why NOT use heat-proof glass?

My Panasonic 50" Plasma? I just took it into the shop for the person I sold it to. Call it a 2011 model.

If my New LG OLED fails I'll be beyond disappointed.
Too much is never enough

 

I'll never forgive Panasonic for discontinuing their plasma., posted on September 10, 2017 at 21:45:38
Mr. Dick Hertz
 Yeah I know all about the economics but still. I have a 42" Panny plasma I bought new in 2008. Works perfectly.

 

RE: I'll never forgive Panasonic for discontinuing their plasma., posted on September 11, 2017 at 02:43:35
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 I have the Panasonic Plasma sets (42, 50 and 65). All still work great. I hope they lost a long time.


-Wendell

 

RE: I'll never buy another Samsung TV., posted on September 11, 2017 at 04:36:02
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 Sony knew about the problems with the SXRD. They lost several class action law suites and had to replace everyone's light engine do to the infamous "green blob".Mine lasted a couple of years after that. I won't buy another Sony. My 65" Panny plasma is still going strong, and will hopefully last a long time.
Jack

 

RE: I'll never buy another Samsung TV., posted on September 11, 2017 at 11:14:24
pictureguy
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 Yes, and Sony also had the 'deal' where they'd sell you a new 'equivelent' set for a bargain price based on you sending them your SR# tag from the SXRD. One-To-A-Customer.

The 'settlements' amounted to a Wrist Slap. I never heard of the light engine replacement, but who cares? They'd have lasted another 7000 hours or so and than gone south again.

I think the BEST response I could have made was the suit in Small Claims Court. The few that took that route had good results.

I also was badly informed. I don't know if I had done certain things differently I would have preserved my right to sue. Or had I 'opted out' of the class action suit(s) would that have preserved my right to a small claims suit? I didn't know about the class action stuff until Way Late.

I took the Sony deal and doubled my money the NEXT day selling the set, new-in-box.

What still frosts me is that you are 100%. Sony KNEW about the issues from as far back as the line of projection LCD sets they made. Sony owned or 'held' quite a number of Patents concerning light engines and STILL they used plastic filters. All the equipment I ever used for semiconductor photo processes used Heat Proof Glass in the light path.

Are the current line of PROJECTORS still using plastic filters? Any problems with them?
Too much is never enough

 

RE: I'll never forgive Panasonic for discontinuing their plasma., posted on September 11, 2017 at 11:23:24
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 I think the problems were 2x.
First? Energy consumption of plasma sets is pretty high compared to LED / LCD stuff and later, to the new OLED.
Second? No 4k plasma possible or costs would have been REALLY astronomical. They would have had trouble selling enough sets to justify development costs.

First Pioneer dropped out. The engineers from the KURO days went to Panasonic. Panasonic made the best sets EVER in the last generation, the '60 series) while LG was pretty good and I think there was one other. I think LG was the last to drop? My brother has a 60" LG and it is terrific.

About 1/2 of all sets sold Never have there color adjustments messed with. And sales of the REAL bargain basement stuff is good. That tells me people are MORE than willing to accept commodity television and junk it out when it breaks. Maybe every 3 to 5 years.
Too much is never enough

 

Choose carefully, posted on September 12, 2017 at 09:45:21
jedrider
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 I have a Panasonic Plasma. You would find them at all the sports bars, so you KNOW they are considered both good and reliable at the same time.

I think heat is a major factor in longevity that manufacturers need to know how to deal with it, i.e., DO NOT buy something that is NOT proven technology, DO NOT be on the bleeding edge.

The Samsung TVs seem to be the best bang for the buck otherwise.

I have a DELL laptop that just went in for servicing. My family bought the laptop even though I resisted. I mean an Intel i7 in a laptop! Well, it died after not even much use. It runs HOT.

 

RE: I'll never forgive Panasonic for discontinuing their plasma., posted on September 12, 2017 at 09:53:29
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 My 50" Panasonic plasma from 2007 still works great, too. Panasonic also makes a lot of passive components, like caps and resistors, which they use in their own TV's, so no cheapo Chinese caps. With a lot of flat screen problems, 90% of the time it is bad power supply capacitors. If you are handy, they can be replaced fairly easily. I have fixed so many Samsungs by replacing PS caps.

 

" About 1/2 of all sets sold Never have there color adjustments messed with.", posted on September 12, 2017 at 12:08:39
Jack G
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 Yea, its amazing how many people don't even try to calibrate their sets.
Its scary to see otherwise intelligent people watching a picture with green sky.
Jack

 

RE: Choose carefully, posted on September 12, 2017 at 13:25:45
Mr. Dick Hertz
 My i-5 processor runs pretty hot too but so far, after 3-4 years pf pretty constant use, all appears to be well.

Since Samsung has discontinued plasmas along with everyone else, the choice boils down to LCD/LED's. Several years ago there was a class action law suit against Samsung for using inadequate capacitors in the power supplies of the LED/LCD TV's. Samsung fixed the TV's, but only after losing the suit. But all bets were off after two or three years. My experience with my plasmas indicates Samsung was still engaged with using inadequate capacitors. While I was searching for a replacement board I saw many many plasmas with exactly the same problem I had, failed power supplies. Others had screen problems with pink lines and other maladies. When you buy a Samsung, after the one year warranty is up, you're on your own with a set that's likely to fail in some way and replacement parts probably won't be available to fix it. I guess the era of disposable TV's is here.

 

How many hi def and 4K sets...., posted on September 12, 2017 at 13:31:19
Mr. Dick Hertz
 ...have green sky and aren't even connected to a hi-def cable box.

 

RE: I'll never forgive Panasonic for discontinuing their plasma., posted on September 12, 2017 at 14:07:50
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 I have a 42" Panasonic Plasma that I bought in 2003 or 2004 for nearly $2K. It still works perfectly. I wish I'd moved faster to get one of the last 60" Panasonics Plasmas, but I did get a 51" Samsung Plasma in 2014....knock on wood, it still works great.

-Rod

 

Though the default settings are far better than in the past...., posted on September 12, 2017 at 14:11:38
Rod M
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 I changed a few settings for the cinema mode for my Samsung Plasma based on the review from rtings.com that claimed that those minor changes got the set to very close to a professional calibration. I'm not complaining though I hate the way some movies shot everything in the dark to the point that it's all shadows.

-Rod

 

Which model?, posted on September 12, 2017 at 15:09:10
Mr. Dick Hertz
 Mine was the 8500 series 51". Although the picture wasn't as good as my Panny, it was a nice TV, while it worked.

 

RE: Which model?, posted on September 12, 2017 at 17:44:23
Rod M
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 It's a 51" 5500 series which was all that could be had when they were closed out in January of 2014. Brightness could be better, but it looks awfully good in a dark room.

My only complaint was that it seemed to have some burn in from stations that put those annoying banners on the bottom of the screen. I've since sworn off those channels and it seems to have gone away for the most part.

-Rod

 

Power supply board fix here:, posted on September 12, 2017 at 21:28:34
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 Hope this may be of some help...

 

RE: Which model?, posted on September 13, 2017 at 06:27:52
Jack G
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 Yea, my Panny had some minor burn in too. I had an NBC4 logo in the bottom right corner, and a PBS News hour in the bottom left. It wasn't too bad though. The settings have white rolling bar you can use for that, but it didn't work. I got the Disney pixel-flipper that was supposed to fix that, but it didn't work either. They eventually went away on their own.
Jack

 

Our 50" Samsung plasma is great., posted on September 13, 2017 at 06:52:36
grantv
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 Bought it 7 years ago to replace our 35" Sony CRT, been running strong (for very! many hours a day) in our living room for 6+ years until we recently bought a 65" to replace it. Now it runs every night for a bit in our bedroom. No problems yet.

 

RE: " About 1/2 of all sets sold Never have there color adjustments messed with.", posted on September 13, 2017 at 08:24:35
Hornlover
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 And with the aspect ratio not set properly! As if they dont know what shape people should be.....

 

Thanks but..., posted on September 13, 2017 at 08:45:27
Mr. Dick Hertz
 ...I've been down that road and it's a dead-end for me because, as is the case with most of those services, you have to send them your old board. Since the TV repair shop that originally diagnosed the power supply problem sent my old board off to be repaired (gone, lost, whatever) I don't have an old board to send. New boards are unobtanium (although I MIGHT have a line on one), exchange of boards is the only way you can go.

 

Lost board not good...n/t, posted on September 13, 2017 at 19:40:32
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Found a NEW one!, posted on September 14, 2017 at 12:27:17
Mr. Dick Hertz
 Must be the only new board in the world. I've been looking since May, scouring eBay, Craigslist, and Google. Should be here next week. Hot damn!

 

You ARE a lucky dog. I'll bring the popcorn...n/t, posted on September 15, 2017 at 05:24:08
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RE: You ARE a lucky dog. I'll bring the popcorn...n/t, posted on September 15, 2017 at 06:20:13
fantja
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 Does any of these companies build in Japan?
I know most are junk-sourced to china (explains the failure rate).

 

Still have our 2005 Pioneer 6010FD......, posted on September 24, 2017 at 09:03:36
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 Our 6010FD 60" Pioneer plasma has been sparingly used, as my wife and I rarely watch it. Once Pioneer exited, we used it even less (i.e., pretty much never), always saying we would set up the TV, but normally just leaving it boxed up safely in storage while we moved around a bit.

Recently, my wife suggested we simply sell it, but I reminded her that prices today would push it down into the 'giveaway' zone, which I just recoil at. We paid $5,700.00 or so back in 2006; it listed for something like $6750 or around there (I cannot recall.)

As we basically don't ever watch TV anymore, I wonder what we should do? What do/did Pioneer owners here in the Vid Asylum do (other than selling early, while the getting was good; missed that train long ago)........ ? Keep it (as repairs become impossible, basically), or sell (for peanuts, yuck!)

(And please, nobody say, "Give it to me!" I can see that one coming from a few of the inmates around here. I thought I should preempt that early.)

 

Kuros have kept their value better than most used TVs., posted on September 25, 2017 at 07:35:02
Mr. Dick Hertz
 If your TV is in good shape with fairly low mileage, you should be able to sell it. Look around on Craig's List or eBay and see what they're going for. Since you don't use it much, why not turn it into cash and go out for a nice dinner?

 

RE: Kuros have kept their value better than most used TVs., posted on October 2, 2017 at 18:18:51
Winston Smith
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 Hey MDH-

Thanks for the advice. Been sick recently, so I was delayed in thanking you for your response to my query.

Cheers,

WS

 

RE: I'll never buy another Samsung TV., posted on October 20, 2017 at 14:58:54
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 Go figure.... I have two Samsungs, one Plasma and one LCD- 10 years and counting.

The LCD runs about 10 hours a day. We fall asleep with it on about half the time and leave it on all morning.

 

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