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In Reply to: I watched part of this again (after 20 years) with some friends last year, and it seems VERY dated. posted by Audiophilander on April 26, 2005 at 10:21:15:
I've never considered Marc Singer,(the always great)Michael Ironside, and Faye Grant to be 'wooden'. Diana was such a bitch, you gotta lover her! Some of the matted effects were a bit old looking, but the interior sets I thought were pretty decent, along with some of the coolest laser guns/sound effects from that decade. I still like it better than some of the newer offerings. Some of these are so soaked with digital effects, it looks like a live actor walking in front of a video game. As for the 70's, anyone who thinks the double-sun shot in Star Wars looks 'dated' is just downright looney. I've seen great things from all decades. Saturn 3 is 1980, and I defy anyone to find a greater, more colorful scifi-looking interior design than THAT one! I always wondered what the budget was for that film, but it had very few actors and only a few matte/model effects to deal with.
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I'm not criticizing your taste, just sharing my impressions, which obviously differ somewhat from your own. In retrospect, "V" just bored me, but that's just me and not meant to imply anything about your particular likes or dislikes.Dated material doesn't usually bother me, unless it draws too much attention to itself through employing of campy symbolism reflective of the time it was made. Not everything in the 60's & 70's did this; certainly not every feature film. However, some television fare is quite dated in my estimation; that doesn't necessarily detract from it's enjoyment, but in some cases it obviously will.
When a program reminds it's audience too much of the period in which it was produced, then it draws too much attention to it's production values. If this occurs it may become cliche` and more easily appreciated as nostalgia or campy hokum by most folks. Look at the 60's Batman TV series or the 70's Buck Rogers; heck, even take more mainstream fare like Starsky & Hutch or Dragnet (circa '67, w/Harry Morgan).
I don't wish to argue about differing perceptions of a particular television series, especially since I generally agree with you about the films of that era (i.e., Direction and budget having much more to do with the "look" achieved). In the case of SF, fantasy & adventure feature films the budgets tend to be far better than achieveable for television and you usually "see" where the money was spent on the screen. Those films don't date badly (i.e., Andromeda Strain, 2001, Clockwork Orange, Silent Running, Alien, Close Encounters, Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc.).
One example of excellent television fare from the period which hasn't dated badly is Shogun; of course, it isn't SF or a special effects extraveganza, but the high-caliber writing, cinematography and acting are all first rate and ageless! As television mini-series go this one is still crisp and the fact that it was produced in the 1970's doesn't draw attention to itself.
Sadly, speculative SF has been given short shrift on television until recently; there are notable exceptions throughout television's history, but the tendency has been to shy away from the deeper, weightier SF concepts in favor of whammy special effects and hammy acting (i.e., space opera). Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a certain amount of junk food in my diet too, but too much leads to recreational atrophy.
Cheers (respectfully),
AuPh
Buck Rogers is the one show that had aged badly when it was still NEW! I didn't care for that one. If you can get past the costumes, which is usually the leading culprit in dated material, Space:1999 is still pretty cool, although some episodes roll a bit slow. Earth-based sci fi is the most susceptible to being attached to the genre it came out of, specially tv productions. Like you said though, budget plays a big part. Enough cash, and you can remove all visual references to the current culture. Tried to watch a couple tv movies lately, and the common theme in all of them was what seemed to be a camera mounted on a rubber pogo-stick. Zooming in AND out each time someone talks near the lens, over-editing, and general shotty panning seems to be the new norm. I think they are trying to give the 'amateur home-video' feel by not having refined and level camera shots, but in the end it looks sloppy. You see that a lot in commercials, and now in television movies.
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