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In Reply to: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut": Comments posted by edta on October 18, 2000 at 17:34:30:
***I do remember, though, how 2001 was first received with a lot of questions.As well it should have. I suspect many years later the students of the movie genre of the 20th century will concentrate on his other works and pay less attention to that silly Hollywood production. They will simply put it into that "nerdy" bin where thinking and information play larger role than feelings do.
I, for one, don't lament Kibrick having made it, we all are allowed to have fun from time to time, but it is not a great movie when it is put next to some, well, you get the picture, but it is fun movie to watch.
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For me only The Shining and Eyes... are problems.
We are talking about the personal preferences, of course, but to me it would be, in descenting order, Barry Lyndon, Paths of Glory, Clockwork Orange, Dr Strangelove, FMJ, the Shining. I find the 2001 and Spartacus entertaining, but hardly more than that. Perhaps we should bundle the Eyes with Lolita? While I think the Lolita's source material is awful, I have not read the Arthur Schnitzler's cult novel, but it doesn't look like I missed much.
I disagree about 2001. For me, one of the most important indicators of greatness is memorability, and wanting to re-view. 2001 fits big time. There are memorable scenes in The Shining, still, it's not one I want to see again. Still, maybe the director's cut would make a difference, not sure.I've always liked Barry Lyndon. Even purchased the Handel Suites for Harpsichord to get that theme. Oh yes, the Schubert Trio as well.
Lolita is terra incog. What is so bad about it?
I agree with you about Spartacus, not one of the greatest, although good. I guess there were a few scenes cut though, right?There is one though, that you've not mentioned: The Killing. I think that's the title starring Sterling Hayden. Pretty good in my book, perhaps not great.
***I disagree about 2001. For me, one of the most important indicators of greatness is memorability, and wanting to re-view. 2001 fits big time. There are memorable scenes in The Shining, still, it's not one I want to see again. Still, maybe the director's cut would make a difference, not sure.The techno-side in that movie overwhelms everything else. And I am sucker for that too, and had watched it with pleasure (heck, must have watched that one ten times or so...), but as far as artistic greatness, I would not put it in that category, and you are right, I am not longing to see it again either. It doesn't have *that* that the first part of the FMJ has, for instance. THAT is one TREMENDOUS piece! The rest of the movie dropped the ball a bit.
***I've always liked Barry Lyndon. Even purchased the Handel Suites for Harpsichord to get that theme.
Yes, the Sarabande.
***Oh yes, the Schubert Trio as well.
But of course.
***Lolita is terra incog. What is so bad about it?
Mostly the fact that I hate it when I can't identify with the character at all. It irritates me to no end, creates the impresion of artificiality.
The novel is incredibly irritating, like eating a worm, the movie even more so, mostly because of Mason - and he can be good, and has been in other movies.
But I must be on a dangerous slope here. I forgot that we are not allowed to hate anything someone else might like.
Anyone loved "Lolita"?
No response. OK, I'll say it then - I hated that movie! There...
***I agree with you about Spartacus, not one of the greatest, although good. I guess there were a few scenes cut though, right?Spartacus is unpretentious, it is what it is, and even if it is hard to see a great director in it, it is one fine flick. One of Kirk's better roles.
***There is one though, that you've not mentioned: The Killing. I think that's the title starring Sterling Hayden. Pretty good in my book, perhaps not great.I knew you would mention that one. But I am sorry to admit that I have not seen it, and another early work - "Killer's Kiss". Never had a chance to find them. I love Sterling Hayden - "The Alphalt Jungle" is one of my favorites, plus, of course, the Dr. Strangelove.
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