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In Reply to: Re: Ooops - wrong! posted by Dmitry on October 24, 2000 at 17:23:47:
***Which majority's opinion rules the art?The answer is: it is the majority that rules the art. You can also call in establishment. When the museum curator decides which painting will be upstairs, and which in the basement - he works for that establishment. When people show up in droves to see one artist, and ignore the other - it is working here too.
I have a beautiful painting by Bloodgood. To me he is more interesting than Innes, but the majority has spoken and I was able to snatch this one for a relative song.
***Here, in the Films Asylum?:))
Ah, here... here we simply express our silly opinions. Some take that too seriously.
***I never count on majority;
We are free to go where our imagination leads us, but it would be naive to deny that during our formative years the majority opinion guides us. It guides us towards Beethoven, Rossi, Ostade, Pasternak. What then? "Nauchishsya shagom, a dal'she - hot' v beg..."
Sorry, could not resist.
***if I did I'd have Leroy Neiman lithographs on my wall, Britney Spears playing in the background. Majority is never a litmus test;in fact I think it just proves the opposite - perhaps real art can be appreciated by few?
Of course, and I feel funny explaining that I meant the majority of those who appreciate the art.
***We'll see, we'll see. So, this kind of makes this discussion irrelevant. Just two polar opinions about a film.
Of course. But I am sorry to state that this Kubrick's work irritated me so much that when it was shown on television, I turned it off.
Perhaps in few years I will want to see it again, but not now.
Follow Ups:
"Of course, and I feel funny explaining that I meant the majority of those who appreciate the art."
Don't feel funny.:)My point about Van Gogh, Welles, Vermeer and many others whom we have no idea of still stands. Where was the majority of those who appreciate art when Van Gogh painted, when Soutine and Modigliani were painting their best? I mean it's not like they were hiding their works, or burning them(Soutine did when he became rich eventually); I specifically made these three an example, because they lived amongst artists, critics and art lovers(the majority of which appreciate art, or say they do). Problem is in access; it's impossible to see something that you don't know exists. That's why I buy a lot of records of people whose works I don't know or know by association. It's fun.
I don't know Bloodgood and Innes. Who are they?
I'm sorry you felt so strongly about the film. It's OK. Perhaps it's a bit more personal for both of us than we think...
***Don't feel funny.:)My point about Van Gogh, Welles, Vermeer and many others whom we have no idea of still stands. Where was the majority of those who appreciate art when Van Gogh painted, when Soutine and Modigliani were painting their best? I mean it's not like they were hiding their works, or burning them(Soutine did when he became rich eventually);But Dmitry, this is exactly the point. Their works have not changed, they have not suddenly become great, it is simply that the "majority", for lack of a better term, was looking elsewhere. The consensus at that time was that Van Gogh was not something to worry about. It really doesn't matter for this discussion whether it was right or not, simply that this is how it works.
***I specifically made these three an example, because they lived amongst artists, critics and art lovers(the majority of which appreciate art, or say they do). Problem is in access; it's impossible to see something that you don't know exists. That's why I buy a lot of records of people whose works I don't know or know by association. It's fun.
I agree and I do that too, since the "basics" are already pretty well covered in my collection. I love buying things I know nothing about. Sometimes it works, in other cases - small price for learning.
***I don't know Bloodgood and Innes. Who are they?
George Inness is arguably the greatest American landscape painter. Seymour Bloodgood is much less known, but seems like largely unfaily so. To me there is more expresiveness in him than in the admiteddly great Inness (and I would love to have his work, but... $$$$$).
***I'm sorry you felt so strongly about the film. It's OK. Perhaps it's a bit more personal for both of us than we think...
As I said, I was disappointed, I was waiting for it with all the passion of Kibrick gruppie. And I agree completely it is entirely personal.
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