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In Reply to: I returned two of them... posted by Rich on December 19, 1999 at 05:44:20:
I have never experienced "extensive green fog" or any other "fog", at least not with my Sony VPL W400Q projector:) I have a considerably hi-end 2 channel audio system that serves as the basis for my more modest HT system. The sony 400Q is one of the more affordable components in my rig. It performs flawlessly. I am certainly sorry that you (Rich) have had problems with the 400Q. I understand that this was a problem with earlier versions of the 400Q and is covered extensively at the bigpicturedvd website, including in the VPL W400Q FAQ section and the Unofficial Sony VPL W400Q Forum, where you can run a search and find archived threads discussing this matter. The serial number change at which the revision occurs is referenced there several times. This would allow MB, or anyone else to determine if the projector they were looking at was a pre-fog fix or a post-fog fix unit. This would likely only be a concern on a used projector as opposed to a new one. Let's not forget that the 400Q is a venerable projector that has been around for a number of years, and like any complex electronic component, as problems with earlier releases are identified, revisions and refinements occur. It is unfortunate that you were perhaps unable to get your problem fixed and had to return your projector twice, but most owners of the earlier version that had any fogging problems were able to get the revised prism block assembly installed by Sony under factory warranty, effectively eliminating the problem. Another advantage of a three year warranty. Also, don't lose sight of the fact that CRT based systems are not without their own set of problems. All technologies have their strengths and weaknesses, CRT included. A heavy CRT projector which generally requires
$professional installation$, $professional set-up, including callibration and convergence$, periodic re-convergence, and is still left with a dim, low ANSI lumen output image, may still have unavoidable color convergence anomalies, and then after all of that:) still requires a $scan converter/line processor$ just to get a good image, may not be everyone's cup of tea, especially someone who was looking to get in and out for around $4700. To anyone who may be interested to know, especially to MB, to whom my prior comments were intended, all who have seen a DVD presentation at my HT have been enthralled, not just with the sound, but with the incredibly vivid and film-like BIG image. Granted, while nothing is likely to be more film-like in it's visual presentation than a Vidicron One through a Farouja line processor (can you say mega kilobucks?), my $3600 Sony VPL W400Q lcd projector produces an image and big theater cinematic experience better than any $15K to $18$ CRT based projection system that I have ever seen. I say this based on performance criteria only, not out of some ill-conceived consumer loyalty to Sony! In fact, the only other Sony products I even own are the DVP7700 dvd player and the MDR-DS5000, which I used to use very occasionally for late-night HT purposes. BTW, as digital technologies become further refined and advanced (LCD, multi-chip DLP, DILA, and others), CRT will go the way of 8-track and vcr...replaced by technological progress.Anyway, that's just my own humble opinion, based on my own personal experiences. Other's may differ. Remember, your mileage may vary. Happy Home Theater-ing, and happy holidays to all!
Larry
There is no spoon
in my home. The 50 DESTROYED the 400Q. I bought the 50 for $8k and added a Faroudja doubler ($3k).BTW, the green fog problem had already "supposedly" been fixed on the units I examined. It was awful and the 400Q can't come close to reproducing black.
Hey..I'm not trying to rattle your, or anyone else's, cage. I am glad you found something you can live with and for a price you were willing to spend. I am only saying we all make our own choices and pay our own prices, if I may quote the fine Bros. Wachowski. My experience does not supercede your, it is mearly mine, and a lot of others have had similar experiences. By the way....2 "problems" I find way way overblown, is the fan noise and black reproduction with the 400Q. Your system sounds very nice and I'm sure you enjoy it. I could enjoy it, too. But for substantially less investment in time, trouble, maintenence, set-up, fiddling, space requirements, structural building load requirements (assuming a more theater-like ceiling mount configuration), ambient light elimination, and so on, I have an image that, with an anamorphic DVD presented in 16:9 format, is by many experienced and knowledgable individuals considered to be superior in it's film-like theater quality than any CRT set-up in the price range you describe, including the 50, which is just not engineered to take full advantage of 16:9 format, without a 25% loss. Just two different ways to get to the same place, each with it's own set of limitations and strengths, advantages and disadvantages. Whether one "destroys" the other is a subjectivist argument, and likely not worthy of your time, or mine, and I'm sure, unlikely to be "settled". It's pointless and reminds me of grammer school boys bickering over whose father could beat up the other's. I didn't engage in those either, though my father was a pretty tough kid who grew up under adverse circumstances in the Bronx (but I digress). Please accept my humble apologies if I have offended you in any way...I was not attacking your system, just presenting an alternative that can produce an outstanding image for someone looking for something a lot simpler to live with and MUCH less expensive than the fine choice you have made. So, have a merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all that, Rich. Enjoy your fine system, as I will mine.Larry
"It's the question that drives us"
Indeed you did not intend to "rattle Rich's cage," and I had a similar experience to yours when posting and getting a response from this individual. I think that Rich's cage is very easily rattled and he does not take kindly to people having opinions which differ from his. In my case I had made an erroneous statement (about DVD player specifications) and was attacked rather harshly. In the post I also made subjective statements which were not consistent with his experiences with specific DVD players and was attacked on that front as well.
The bottom line? Don't let it get to you, learn that Rich may want to invest in some kind of isolation system for his cage so that it doesn't rattle so easily, and enjoy the show!Merry Christmas to all!!
Thanks for the kind words, GM. It seemed that no matter what I said, or how I tried to rephrase my meaning, I was dodging bullets, or something like that. At first I thought it was me. I can understand that reasonable minds can differ, but after Rich's last post, I had decided to abandon the whole thread and move on to another topic.Larry
picture, fine, continue to delude yourself. The 50 is so superior in every way (convenience and scan lines excepted), that it is ludicrous to argue otherwise.BTW, black is black, not grey. Your 400 can't produce black. Moreover, the picture is not at all sharp. And have you forgotten about the greenish tinge? No amount of adjustment eliminates the flaw. And what about the noise?
You haven't offended me at all, but I suggest that you and your "knowledgeable individuals" get your eyes checked.
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