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I understand that the industry assumes that everybody is willing to update their home theater system every few years, but really ... Why did they decide to discontinue analog outputs on new Blu Ray DVD players? More importantly, what can I use to correct the problem?
I have and relatively old NAD T742 Surround Sound Amp (5.1). It sounded great with my 4 year old Toshiba Blu Ray player (with stereo analog outputs). But the new Sony BDP S3200 player has no analog outputs. If I connect the NAD directly to my Sony TV's audio output, it sounds just awful. The SNR is terrible and the audio mushy. Far inferior to the old Toshiba player (which has other problems, but that's irrelevant)
I tried a Radio Schack Coaxial Digital to Analog converter, but it only supports PCM and won't work with the Sony Player when a Blu Ray disk is inserted. I've searched the internet for a solution short of a $500 Oppo DVD player, but haven't found much.
Can you all help?
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Thanks for the information. It confirms what I had guessed.
I'll probably go back to using my old Toshiba BlyRay player, at least until I determine and decide on a better approach.
The film industry forced Blu-ray player manufacturers to eliminate analog audio outputs for anti-piracy reasons beginning with the 2013 models. You can thus look for a leftover 2012 or earlier player that has analog audio outputs, such as the excellent Panasonic DMP-BDT320, which has stereo analog outputs and wi-fi streaming.
For our master-bedroom system, which utilizes a Panasonic 50" plasma TV, a stereo receiver, and a Panasonic DMP-BDT320 player, I picked up a refurbished 320 last year from an Amazon Markeplace dealer as a backup. It looks and performs like a brand-new unit. (We also use one in our dedicated theater room, via its HDMI video and audio outputs.)
Today I see Amazon has a refurbished 320 for only $69 with free shipping (see link below). If you verify the player comes with a defective return policy (refund or exchange), you're good to go.
Hi
sorry to jump in but i have a kind request
Can the Panny play wav files from a usb stick inserted in the front port ?
How do you rate its analog stereo sound ?
I am looking also myself for a player able to stream and play from usb stick or other flash memory with an adapter
Thanks a lot for any suggestion.
Kind regards,
bg
Here's a newbie to video question... what is it about analog outputs that make the industry so worried about piracy? I don't get it.
Kerry
In reply to Kerry, your question specified "analog outputs", but analog outputs are necessary to connect DVD and Blu-ray players to the inputs of some older HDTV sets that don't have an HDMI input. For this reason, the entertainment industry has been more concerned with one particular type of analog input, than with analog outputs in general. To be more specific, they are concerned with a particular type of analog signal which is called a component video signal. And, they were mostly worried about component video inputs, when they were included on some consumer digital video recorders. High definition analog video signals that contain copy protection are also easier to hack than HD digital signals. For these reasons, the entertainment industry would like eliminate analog component video inputs from consumer digital video recorders as a way to restrict the ability of the public to make high quality copies of material from sources such as DVD and Blu-ray disks. The easiest way to do this is to put pressure on the equipment manufacturers to gradually phase out all analog input and output jacks on video equipment in favor of digital HDMI.
If you're a "newbie" and need a more detailed explanation, then it's necessary for you to understand the different types of analog video cables and signals. There are many types of analog video cables, but the analog cable that is most commonly used to make a high definition copy from a HD source is the component video cable. Component video requires a bundle of five individual cables, three are for video and two are for audio (unless a separate digital channel is used for the audio). Component video jacks can be identified by a label such as "Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr". Some other types of analog cables are also capable of transferring high definition images, such as the VGA cables that are used with computer monitors. However, they are less commonly used with consumer TV equipment than component video cables, so they are of less concern to the industry than component video.
The component video cable should not be confused with the more common composite video cable. The composite video cable was used with VCR machines and older DVD players. The composite video cable is a bundle of three cables. It has a single analog video cable combined with right and left channel analog audio cables. Like the component cable, the composite cable uses RCA plugs. But, the composite video cable is not a threat to the entertainment industry today, because a composite analog video signal has a narrow bandwidth, so it's limited to standard definition video and can't be used to copy high definition video. S-video analog cables were also popular at one time, and while they are superior to composite video cables they can't carry a high definition picture. The most common way to copy HD video with an analog cable is to use a component video cable, so this is the analog cable that the entertainment industry wants to do away with.
The HDMI cable that has replaced analog cables is molded into a single digital cable that is designed with built-in copy protection, so it's useless for making HD copies (or so we are told). Someone somewhere has probably hacked HDMI, but most people don't know how to do it yet. Therefore, the use of an analog component cable (possibly in conjunction with a cheap video sync stabilizer circuit) is the best way to get around the HDMI road block for those who want to copy HD material in HD. For this reason, there has been pressure from the entertainment industry on equipment manufacturers to eliminate component analog inputs and outputs from video equipment and replace them with digital HDMI inputs and outputs.
Analog inputs are still found on some HDTV sets and that includes both composite and component inputs. But, you won't find component analog inputs on non-professional grade digital recording devices anymore. The HDMI cable was sold to the public as an improvement that helps eliminate the tangle of cables behind the TV set and delivers a better picture. This is a true advantage of HDMI and most people are satisfied with this simple explanation. But, it's also about the entertainment industry trying to control the ability of the public to make HD video copies of HD material. You can't blame them, because they need to make a profit to stay in business. I hope this explains how certain types of HD analog signals can be hacked more easily than digital signals for piracy, and that makes them a threat to the entertainment industry.
See the post four or five down having to do with Roku 3. I am very happy with the Kanex Pro. You'll need to compare your connection requirements with what the deimbedder offers. Kanex is not the only maker out there, so shop around if the Kanex Pro doesn't do what you need.In rereading your post, the Kanex model I have may/may not work for you. Output from it is coax and optical, and the analog output is via min-plug. I use only for 2-channel with stereo-mini to RCA cable. Somebody is bound to make a deimbedder that has what you want if this one doesn't.
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I've always used analog out with my TVs, but when I got mt Panny ZT plasma, it had none. Luckily I had an extra DAC so I could use the optical out. I fear even that may disappear soon.
Jack
I think it is a move to save money. I think HDMI was unneeded and a step backwards. Component cables still provided 1080p and coax worked fine for the 4 channel digital audio..I could see this coming.
1080p from a Blu Ray player was never available through component out. The earliest protocols through up flags on that. HDMI became the defacto standard because that's what the industry demanded in order to protect content and establish standardization. If you want your receiver or prepro to decode the latest high resolution codecs, you have to use HDMI. That is unless you're using the flagship Oppo.
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