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is their any distinct sound/performance difference between DD and DTS ?
i am wondering if it is worth the extra $$$ to get DTS along with DD ? i know DTS is fairly new and limited. well it stick around ?
It probably is crazy to get pulled into this debate, but I have to provide an alternative perspective. I've listened extensively to DD, DTS both on laserdisc and DVD. My equipment is meridian 565/562V, Denon 5000, Krell FPB300 (left & right front), Sunfire Cinema (all other channels),Martin Logans (Requests upfront, SL's in back, Logos center), Definitive BPX's for side surrounds and 2 paradigm subs. You can say what you want about bit rate debates, codecs, etc. but proof is in the subjective listening. On my system there is no question that DTS is superior 9/10 times to DD (yes, there are a few where DD is better -- but not many) for movies. More detail, tighter base (not louder, tighter), better integration of surrounds. I hate to see DTS go, but I think it is likely to go.As for the DTS people treating all of us "terribly"...I've read and heard from people involved that much of the release time is dependent on the studios who license DTS technology -- not DTS itself. My understanding is that they've only released a couple of their own titles (e.g., Dances with Wolves). The price issue? I don't mind paying an extra $8-10 for the quality.
If you are considering the two formats and deciding if the extra for DTS is worth it, I'd say listen to it in YOUR system and decide. Everyone seems rather rabid about the defence of their formats...if you like it, invest. If not, don't bother. The difference in price isn't all that much.
Anyway, we all know that DD is going to give way to MLP shortly anyway.
Yep, out of the box anything can happen as you are comparing an apple and an orange. Levels are up to 10db different, different masters are used and mixed differently. No wonder you will prefer the louder one and DTS is mixed louder.
Here is an interesting link to a test:
http://www.moviesoundpage.com/msp_dtsvsdd.htm
The most one can say of the 'study' you referenced, is that it is intentionally very limited in objective. The procedure was extremely flawed in several ways, and does not even address the quality issues that are most important to HT systems.Matched samples of DD and DTS to *unprocessed* tracks are what need to be evaluated to reach a useable estimation of the quality of each.
What happens with the 'to the wall' perceptual compression of DD when user setups have far less than perfect room and speaker response, as most do? The artifacts are exposed in all their gruesomeness.
IMO, it's pretty sad that people are talking up 64khz dreck and pretending that 'reduced bandwidth' is more important than availing themselves of a quality product such as DTS.
Unfortunately DTS uses a good bit of their bit rate for the algorithm where as DD doesn't. Perhaps you'd like to read the DD vs DTs in Sound&Vision, May. Or do you have a test that clearly sows DTS to be superior?
Note: '64khz' should be '64kb/s per channel' in my previous.Tom Dawson
There is sometimes a difference between DD and DTS recordings/soundtracks. The amount of difference all depends on the master and transfer. I have found that DTS soundtracks for (some) movies sounds more distinct and clear with greater surround channel output and detail. However I can't say the same for DTS music recordings. These recordings (to my ears) sound artificial and overly surrounded, so to speak. I really can't stand DTS audio-only software.
DTS is actually not new at all. It has been around for some time but only until recently could a potential buyer gain access to the software. DTS has made several promises that it has not been able to keep. The roll-out for DTS DVDs for example was delayed significantly and to date has been slow at best. To me this demonstrates a poor marketing scheme and poor follow-through. You are correct--DTS recordings/soundtracks are limited in number. DTS decoding should not cost you any extra $$ in most main-stream low-to mid-fi components. However the DTS software WILL cost you more (compare DTS vs. DD DVDs for example). This higher price is both ridiculous and inappropriate in today's software marketplace.
Overall I do not buy DTS software. I will try my best to continue my personal boycott until the people at DTS decide to get their asses in gear and rise to challenge the market that DD has monopolized to this point.
Sorry for the long ramblings but I do feel strongly about this point. Hope this post helped you!Musical peace...
I agree that DTS audio only discs aren't the best but to my ears the DTS movie format is preferable to DD. And my ears are my most important testing procedure. The sound I get isn't louder, is more distinct and "cleaner" from speaker to speaker, the subwoofer seems to reproduce the lows in a more defined manner.
And my wife agrees! That, in itself, is all I need to hope that the format sticks around. I like it, she likes it, happy home theatre room!!
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