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Posted on December 25, 2016 at 11:13:47
Jim Pearce
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I was looking forward to an LG 55" oled 6B, but my wife was thoroughly distressed at the thought of losing the old Pioneer Elite pro-1000HD because she loves the shiny black frame. And then Best Buy got in league with her by reducing the price for their Boxing Day sale from $2999 to $2499 CDN. I smelled a rat and cancelled the order. Sure enough, Best Buy are playing games - they reduced the price but installation and wall mount are no longer included. I would really need help getting the 100 pound Pioneer off the wall!

Oh well, I'm pretty sure I could get everything for $2800 if I showed up tomorrow morning at 6 A.M., but the thrill is gone. I suppose oleds will only get better over the next year, and my wife might go for a 65" - especially if it has the "glass in glass" look.

 

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RE: a lump of coal in my stocking..., posted on December 25, 2016 at 19:21:46
fantja
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Nothing is better than that Pioneer Elite.

 

Pretty much what you said about the Esoteric fantja..., posted on December 25, 2016 at 20:54:15
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But I'm enjoying the Oppo BDP-95 just as much. However, on sober second thought, viewing a 50" (or 55") TV at 12' I don't know if I could distinguish between 720p and 1080p upscaled to 4K, and likely the LG would exhibit some motion artifacts.

Who'd a thunk I'd have so much trouble, piece by piece, updating a 13 year old system? Since I've given up on the TV for now I'm on to pre-pros. The trouble there is finding one as musical and transparent as my Anthem AVM 20.

 

RE: Pretty much what you said about the Esoteric fantja..., posted on December 25, 2016 at 23:31:28
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13 years can be a long time for certain electronics- Jim.
Is your Anthem breaking down as well?

The reason I mentioned the Pioneer Elite, it is the only better Video source, compared to my Sony XBR CRT (now 12 years old and still looks perfect). I had a chance to view both sets prior to buying. The Pioneer Elite was substantially more in cost back in 2004.

 

the TV and pre-pro could go on forever..., posted on December 26, 2016 at 06:25:56
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By the way that particular model was $20,000 CDN in 2002; I paid $13,000 in 2003. Anyway, my plan always was to bring the whole system up to current SOTA, provided that I could sort the wheat (4K) from the chaff (3D). Where I am now is, within a year I want a pre-pro that does 4K and Atmos (I could go 5.1.2) and a 4K TV. I 'll then upgrade the Oppo to the upcoming BDP-205. And that should be it for the rest of my natural days.

Quite frankly UHD Blu-ray and such don't really impress me much: not because of anything technical so much as a lack of content that will ever be meaningful to me. I can get as much pleasure from watching Casablanca off the Fibe TV DVR in the bedroom on the 51" Samsung F5500 plasma ($600) and Polk Audio MagniFi Mini ($400) as I'll get from any system, regardless of specs. But I'm ready to play the game one more time, as long as I don't have to compromise the visual or auditory playback of my thousands of "legacy" discs.

 

RE: the TV and pre-pro could go on forever..., posted on December 26, 2016 at 06:47:03
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I can remember the 1st generation Pioneer Elite Plasma was $25K.

Sounds like you have a plan- Jim. Keep me posted on your journey.

 

RE: Pretty much what you said about the Esoteric fantja..., posted on December 29, 2016 at 21:23:29
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Anthem has a new processor AVM60 out, check Home Theater Review online for a review. The 60 is all current with 4k and latest decoding etc. I remember liking the clarity of the original AVM20 over the Mac processor costing 3 times as much.

If you have a Marantz dealer their processors sound good and loaded with features.

 

RE: Pretty much what you said about the Esoteric fantja..., posted on December 30, 2016 at 14:07:46
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Thanks! for sharing-

I rather enjoy the Anthem 225 integrated amp. Anyone experience the Anthem series of Receivers?

 

RE: the TV and pre-pro could go on forever..., posted on December 30, 2016 at 14:08:14
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Jim-

how do those Anthem Receivers sound?

 

the AVM 60 lacks 5.1 analog inputs..., posted on December 30, 2016 at 19:18:23
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It also can't handle DSD, forcing the Oppo to convert SACD to PCM. Too bad, Anthems really are excellent pre-amps. I may be forced to go Marantz, plenty of local dealers.

 

RE: the TV and pre-pro could go on forever..., posted on December 30, 2016 at 20:49:19
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They are ridiculously good fantja: the sound in analog direct is comparable to a fine analog pre-amp.

 

RE: the AVM 60 lacks 5.1 analog inputs..., posted on December 30, 2016 at 21:14:54
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Thanks for pointing that out, the review gave so much info and raved about the features, I missed some it didn't have.

The way their room correction works Is a deal breaker for me. I know it's supposed to be great but I'm just not into using a separate computer etc. for set up. And I am one who likes the room correction/auto set up. Keep it simple for me though, LOL

 

Me too..., posted on January 3, 2017 at 19:28:43
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I've been getting the itch to replace a Samsung 55" LED. The wife even gave me a check with a decent budget. Then, I compared. I could get a really good 65" LED or stretch it a bit for a 55" OLED. the LG 6B seems to be the winner.

But how much bigger is a 65" versus a 55". I decided to wait for the 75" OLED next year.


-Rod

 

RE: Me too..., posted on January 3, 2017 at 22:43:12
fantja
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Rod-

you have a very sweet Audio system. Good to see that Phillips SACD 1000 in there. Does it still spin? If so, you are fortunate.

 

RE: Me too..., posted on January 4, 2017 at 06:04:37
Jim Pearce
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Alas, in our ancient abode (circa 1840) the TV sits on what could best be called a chimney breast over the fireplace mantel. Anything larger than 65" would seriously compromise the better half's décor.

 

75" OLED, posted on January 10, 2017 at 07:37:06
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That's my goal when my 65" Plasma gives up the ghost. Still playing great and I'm not itching to replace it. I would like OLED to continue falling in price.


-Wendell

 

RE: 75" OLED, posted on January 19, 2017 at 16:05:24
fantja
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I would only replace w/ another Plasma.

 

"I would only replace w/ another Plasma.", posted on January 19, 2017 at 16:15:10
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Who is still making them.


-Wendell

 

RE: "I would only replace w/ another Plasma.", posted on January 19, 2017 at 19:01:51
fantja
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Sadly, not enough companies. Thankfully, there are many on the used/demo marketplace.

 

RE: 75" OLED, posted on January 20, 2017 at 09:47:12
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I have a plasma TV that I am very satisfied with but unless it is purely for financial reasons it does not make a whole lot of sense to replace a failed plasma TV with another old used plasma TV, unless you can find a new one somewhere for a decent price or you get one for free. There are now significantly better 2017 OLED and Quantum Dot TVs currently or soon available and that trend will only continue.

 

RE: 75" OLED, posted on January 21, 2017 at 07:13:02
fantja
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No LED/OLED will better a Pioneer Elite Plasma that is ISF calibrated.

 

RE: 75" OLED, posted on January 21, 2017 at 12:30:16
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That's an ignorant statement, you really do not know what you are talking about. Technology does improve over time. You should at least keep up with technology and do some research before making statements like that.

While plasma TVs have very good picture quality they are no longer the best and no ISF calibration is going to make one better than an OLED. Just looking at one it is obvious that the picture quality is better. OLED TVs have a much wider color gamut than plasma, the better ones now reach 99% of DCI/P3. OLEDs easily win over plasma in brightness and support Dolby Vision high dynamic range as well as HDR10 for far greater color accuracy and wider color [bit] depth. They have a substantially improved color gradient over Plasma TVs.

Plasma has very good black levels but a small amount of ambient light is refracted out of the panel to the viewer. OLEDs do not have that issue so they have virtually perfect black levels. OLEDs have a faster response time than Plasma. The new OLED TVs have much greater processing power for filtering, scaling, etc. OLEDs are far more energy efficient that plasma. OLEDs come in bigger screen sizes (up to 77") than plasma and are way thinner and lighter. Both have excellent viewing angles.

I like my plasma TV but no sense in pretending like it's better. If you are content with your plasma and want to keep it forever good for you but you are the one missing out.

 

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