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This isn't a political forum, but since we're discussing a political film allow me to educate you...

>>> "Which mess, the 4.6% unemployment or the fact that we haven't had a terrorist attack in this country since 9/11 and we're able to fight Al-quaeda in Iraq?" <<<

Typical wing-nut Shinola fed from the WH and Tony Snow-job to a vanishing legion of supporters and Party faithful, spun ad infinitum by NeroCon mouthpieces on talk radio and blowhard bloggers. Here's a clue:

1) The low unemployment figures are massaged statistics (similar to the massaged intel on Iraq which also didn't provide an accurate picture). Statistics don't reflect the longer hours and double jobs many middle and lower class folks are being forced to work these days in order to make as much as they were back in the 90's. Cost of living has increased, but middle class wages are flat or lower. Unemployment statistics are limited to the filing and refiling of claims over a period of time. At some point those who aren't seeking assistance are dropped from the records; it is "assumed" that they are either employed or no longer in need of employment. However, they may have simply exhausted their benefits or are working for less off the books.

2) The 9/11 argument is one of the silliest, most infantile of all NeroCon ploys! Of course we haven't been attacked, but you know as well as I do that the right-wing would've spun it the other way if we had been attacked. BTW, we haven't been attacked by space aliens either (except perhaps illegal ones seeking to anex U.S. space by sneaking over our unprotected southern borders en masse), so maybe the Star Wars program worked after all (grin)!

Before you get too cocky about how much safer we supposedly are keep in mind that our ports are unprotected and border patrols have been pulled off duty to protect the National Guard troops sent to the borders by Bush as a token gesture to border security critics. The bottom line: If we haven't been attacked, it's either a) a fluke, b) a matter of terrorists bidding their time and waitinf for the right opportunity or c) better FBI and Homeland Security intel. This has nothing to do with the Bush's illegal unjustified war in Iraq; Al Qaeda wasn't there before and neither were the weapons of mass destruction. If anything, we've HELPED Al Qaeda and other radical Islamic groups recruit more terrorists.

One other point about fighting terrorists overseas. Do you think that it's justifiable to place other nation's citizens in harms way by deposing an iron-fisted dictator who kept the various waring religious sects in line thus keeping terroists out of his own country? You apparently think that creating a situation where 3rd world countries fall into chaos is fine and dandy as long as you don't have to worry about it showing up in your own back yard (out of sight, out of mind, I guess). You apparently think it's okay for THEIR wives & kids to die in large numbers as long as you can drive your kids to soccer practice in an SUV and gripe about the cost of gas which has been paid for in the blood of American soldiers and foreign citizens caught in the middle.

>>> "Even you admit you'd see a Mel Gibson movie "probably". And why is it when HE makes a movie it's 'pandering', and when a lib makes one is 'expressing free speech and artistic talent, and tackling important issues'." <<<

Because The Passion IS pandering to a specific audience and was marketed as such; of course the ultimate irony is his anti-semitism coming to light after all those good christians shelled out wads of filthy lucre to prove his point (and mine). Hey, I'm not saying that he doesn't have a free speech right (he's proven that, hasn't he? -grin); he's free to make whatever kind of film he wants! Nor am I suggesting that there's a lack of artistic talent on Mel's part. However, it's hard to rationalize a film like The Passion as "tackling an important issue" where a documentary like Fahrenheit 911 (call it a satire if you like) is addressing those issues, and even more relevent today.

>>> "At least show some distain with a show having a SITTING prez being assasinated." <<<

The word is disdain, and I've never discussed the Canadian film of which you speak. Since I haven't seen it I can't comment on it's merits, but the concept of showing the assassination of a sitting President is troubling and pushes the envelope. OTOH, can you think of a President in recent times who has been more of a lightening rod for such contemptuous behavior?

>>> "I myself would feel disgust if someone did a movie like that about Clinton or Carter, I suppose nothing is off limits then." <<<

You either have free speech or you don't; there are limits (if what you do endangers others or threatens the government), but criticism of public officials, at least in this country, isn't off limits, ...at least not yet (give Rove & Smirknasty a couple of more years though).

>>> "There has to be some conservatives in this asylum somewhere.....?" <<<

Too many, but they usually get taken down a notch or two by over on the Outside boards by those of us whose opinions are better informed (the Outside Asylum is the secret Asylum, if you had no clue; bookmark the link below, because there is no direct link here).

One caution though: Outside ain't for milque-toasts. If you head over there and tackle issues with simplistic soundbite rhetoric you'll get your head handed to you on a platter fast.

AuPh

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