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it takes for actors to bring a character to life sometimes isn't appreciated.
I recently saw the movie and I wondered about Margot Robbie's skating. She's an Australian actress and not a lot of skating background.
To be able to get to a high-quality figure skater sans the big jumps starting from basically nothing in just 5 months is quite impressive.
"At the time, Robbie had nearly zero experience on the ice, aside from playing hockey as a teen.../... I always said to her, 'You know, if you'd started earlier, you could have actually been a skater.' It was a surprise to me how well she took to it, and how hard she worked at it..."
https://www.elitedaily.com/p/is-margot-robbie-really-skating-in-i-tonya-her-choreographer-opens-up-exclusive-8562546
A film essentially about trailer trash is sometimes difficult to watch because they seem so unbelievable. How can people be this inept?
And then you see the real people the actors were portraying and you say - holy cow they really were this dysfunctional in real life.
As an aside, I liked the choreographer who said she felt Robbie could have been an actual figure skater had she started young. I remember playing pick-up ball hockey with an Ex NHL player (in the league 9 years) and he commented on my play as a goalie saying the same thing "If you played like this on ice you'd have been in the NHL"
As nice as that was to hear - it's also kind of a crushing blow because I loved playing but was a terrible skater (started too late as well). Still, it was pretty cool to hear. Albeit Robbie probably has no regrets being a world-famous movie star and one of the sexiest women on the planet. So I won't feel too sorry for her. :)
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I lived in the Portland area when trailer park Tonya and her ex husband took out Nancy. I also saw some of the media coverage that followed the incident.
I thought the film did a decent job of covering her story. Robbie did a competent portrayal also.
competitive team said "She sucks."Marketing, of course, has been pushing actors' talents in this kind of film for years. Paul Newman and Robert De Niro both had boxers they trained with praising them, saying they could have been successful boxers. Right! Of course, reflexes and training are only part of it, the ability to take punishment and be unforgiving about giving it are critical. In figure skating, it's jumping that proves difficult, plus the hard-won ability to trace complex figures, perfectly. Needless to say, Robbie ain't got them skills. (I'm not talking about those ridiculous spinning jumps, either; just a simple small elevation from the ice takes years...).
Having lived in Oregon during the time of the story, I came away with an understanding of Tonya. It's a class thing. Hard for a non-working class person to "get it."
Edits: 05/19/21
Strange - Tonya Harding thought the skating in the film looked good.
"two professional skating doubles, Anna Malkova and Heidi Munger, were used for big moves like the triple jumps and fast spins."
"Kawahara [choreographer for the film] got the skating star's [Tonya Harding] seal of approval.
"She was very sweet — she told me she thought I did a good job," Kawahara recalls. "And she was happy to see her skating represented so well. I had great doubles — her jumps were represented spot-on. I'm very proud of that."
Your daughter must be spectacular - none of them measure up.
It's like a violin-playing friend of mine notes "Itzhak Perlman is a mediocre violinist" which is somewhat odd since my friend is a complete unknown talent, and people pay to see Perlman.
As for the rest, go back and reread my post.
Daughter who figure skated till middle-teens on a competitive team said "She sucks."I take it that Margot Robbie sucks. She could also be Tonya Harding but since that makes no sense then I assume she is referring to Robbie.
As for your tirade that the actors are not as good as professional boxers and Robbie isn't as good as a professional figure skater well no shit Sherlock - the article didn't say that she was but it was implied that had Robbie skated all her life instead of doing acting she well could have been a skater.
Here is a side by side comparison of the Real Tonya Harding skating and the Robbie/professional figure skater doubles.The funny thing is the film makes Harding a "BETTER" skater than she was - Harding is "slow" in comparison.
So I am trying to figure out where at which minute mark is Robbie/figure skating doubles SUCK vs the real Harding?
I like Oksana Baiul better than Harding or Kerrigan back then to be honest. She was my favorite.
Every skating scene compared.
Edits: 05/20/21
So much editing! The arm movements are fine, pretty much anyone with a slight background in ballet can mimic them--- it's skating backward, doing intricate skate placement, tracing fine lines, ANY jumps, etc. that show potential---- Robbie does none of that. Many young girls skate for years but fall away (99%) when they get to jumps. Therefore, stating Robbie could be this-or-that obviously is bogus, it's puffery for the film marketers. The comparison skating vid is sped up so much as to make Harding seem like she's in slo-mo. BTW, Tanya was known for jumping and "muscular" performances, not grace--- her body type was very different from Robbie's.
It's a fake performance, obviously so, to sentient observers--- no great interpretive skill needed. Not a bad performance, a fake one. It's also a poor film, making a conniving, disgusting person into a victim wherein the real victim, Kerrigan, is made unsympathetic--- but that's another story.
Your words. Not much more to be said about your skating judgment, is there?
Tonya is a scum bag. She never once expressed contrition. Poor childhoods and abusive relationships do not excuse anything. Even if they did, Harding's still a narcissistic, ugly person. Portraying her as the victim? That would have been Kerrigan who had her entire life's work ruined by Harding.
And skaters, btw, aren't all middle-class and prissy girls. Many, many come from poor backgrounds, just as poor as Tonya's. I drank coffee with their parents for years as we waited for our daughters to practice. Again, Tonya was and remains despicable.
the first American to land a triple axel in competition!
both sexes too! or either sex also?
Nancy almost forgave her why can't you sorta kinda maybe?
regards,
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yes, but your reference was to Harding & I was addressing that comment
regards,
I get it you have a closer to the experience of the events than the average person would have on this matter.
The rest of the planet (ie outside the world of Portland figure skating) does not.
Narcissistic and ugly - she should run for President and Republican Party leadership. No brains and no contrition - no heart or soul or experience. She sounds perfect for the GOP.
"therefore, stating Robbie could be this-or-that obviously is bogus, it's puffery for the film marketers."
Bullshit.
I live in Hong Kong (not exactly a skating hotbed) and I see plenty of 10-12-year-olds doing spins and doubles. Most reasonably athletic kids who put the time and effort in will be able to be decent figure skaters or ballet dancers - elite level or Olympic level no but good yes. These girls were doing jumps and they don't get the training they would likely get in the west.
"Tanya was known for jumping and "muscular" performances, not grace--- her body type was very different from Robbie's"
And so it was nice to watch the comparison video where Robbie looked and sounded much like Tonya even though Tonya was a "butch." Robbie played the "Redneck Butch" quite well which is why she was nominated for best actress by the Academy Awards, BAFTA, and Screen Actor's Guild - her peers who are professional actors nominated her. I think they know more about film and acting than forum posters.
"It's also a poor film, making a conniving, disgusting person into a victim wherein the real victim, Kerrigan, is made unsympathetic."
LOL - Kerrigan wasn't portrayed at all unsympathetic as the film wasn't called the Nancy Kerrigan story. Nancy was barely in it. She wasn't portrayed as mean or narcacistic.
I know it is beyond your ken to understand but people are not all either evil or good. A person can be disgusting and vile and ALSO sympathetic in that there is this thing called "extenuating circumstances" which doesn't excuse the behavior but it can explain it and people can sympathize with it. It goes back to Shakespearean tragedies where a high-born person has a great fall.
In the modern era, the high born today, arguably, are celebrities in sports or movies or in some cases business/politics. Tonya was a ruffian redneck blue-collar class skater in a world populated by the wealthy upper-class girls who have parents that can buy them $5000 dresses and outfits and probably pay for "finishing school" to get them the right look and genteel walks and movements. I absolutely believe the "skating community" would not want their precious snooty community to be sullied with the likes of an oil-changing Tonya Harding redneck.
Given Figure skating's history of suspect judging - it certainly would not surprise me that the "elite" class would down her marks to allow prettier more elegant, and inferior, skaters to win.
Adding in that mother, that boyfriend, and the total whackjob counter-terrorism expert (holy crap that was a real guy!) into the mix as guys who would be front row at a Maga rally somewhat makes her story "plausible" - true or not is based on the people who have done the investigative work on her along with police reports and admissions by some of the players in the story after the fact.
But if Tonya didn't have that crazy bitch mother and abusive boyfriend things would have been different - so that is the tragedy - someone who could have it all was surrounded by and grew up with disgusting people - and they rubbed off on her. The film didn't paint Tonya as some lovely girl you want to take home to mom.
Oh, sure she's hot but she's the kind of actress who gets mostly Tarantino and Scorsese roles. :-)
I don't know but if I were an actor I think I would be pretty damn happy to be called by Tarantino and Scorcese. They would be difficult guys to say no to since chances are your career will get a big boost.
And hey she's young - play the roles that sell her body like Harley Quinn and then when you can't do those roles choose something better. I think she's a good actress - penalized a bit for being attractive.
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