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In Reply to: The Queen---- posted by patrickU on May 16, 2007 at 01:20:37:
I think the film was interesting, but not great. It focused on the isolated self-centered Royals, but I thought it was equally pointed in showing how British public attitudes had descended to virtual worship of an equally self-centered party girl. Mirren was good, but her role as ER didn't demand much but a poker face. Certainly not an Oscar-grade role, IMO.
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...Diana was much more than a "self-centered" party girl. If that's your view, it's no wonder you didn't get the film.Ask your wife or any woman what they thought of her. They will tell you she was a strong beutiful woman, a survivor and a role model.
She put up with the Royals, particularly Charles' relationship with Camilla, was a model mother to her two sons, suffered bulemia because of all the pressure she was under, and finally escaped with a divorce blessed by the Queen.
She was loved by women everywhere, as you saw by the outpooring of grief at her death.
Phillip hated her and some (Dodi Fayad) have even implicated him in a plot to assasinate her.
Try tracking down the results of blood tests on Di and Dodi from after the accident.
I have it on unimpeachable authority that these results are officially "unknown" as they show the extent of cocaine use in which Di was partaking at the time.
very effective.
Charles was the clown; he should have had the balls to marry Camilla.
A man that cheats on his wife from Day One has no honor; to blame his wife is churlish.
I think Di's going nuts with rock star behavior was no less to blame than Chuck's daliance with Whats'ername.
Sorry, I disagree about Di. From what I could see, she did a complete 180 from the demure Diana of the Storybook Wedding to become the jet-set glitter life of a rock star, partying openly in all the ultra jet set watering holes. It was her choice. If she hadn't married Chuck, she'd never have had the access to it. I never got how the woman, with two children no less, partying all over the Continent, become The Victim .The hysteric level of public mourning validates that they loved Rock Star Di far more than the Princess Di.
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...the Rock Star, partying persona.Except you and a few others who witnessed it.
They remember her as the Storybook Princess and identified their dream with her reality.
Like I said, ask your wife or a female near you.
and the sudden wave of mass hysteria has puzzled even those involved ever since.
Coming from her family, those parties, etc WOULD have been available to her anyway. The "ordinary" girl was one of the blood suckers long before she got married.
What wouldn't have happened is that the cameras would have been pointed elsewhere.
coke snorting Euro trash can kiss my ass.
I think that the film point ouz too how the British society has changed. All the strenght that made the English an outstanding folk is vanishing in modern time, and they are just becoming a country among others.
That was nicely pointed out when the value of Queen Elisabeth of how she has been raised now are un- modern.
Diana help for these decay is not to be underestimated.The film was more a collage as a real film, and her role in Elisabeth the First was actually much much more profund and better as in this one.
You probably rue the day the French had the shit kicked out of them in Algeria and Indo-China.
Wake-up call: history is about change. Both of those societies were great when your antecedents were grunting and hiding in the bushes every time an invading army happened by--- which was a regular occurrence.
:-)
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has disappearedIn 2001 I was having a glass of cider in an very old pub in Bristol, whose patrons over time had included one Edward Thatch ( aka the pirate Blackbeard ) and Dick Turpin, or so said a historic plaque outside the place
The main subject of converation amongst a group of 20-somethings in the bar was what was the best pension plan
Blackbeard would be spinning in his grave
Maybe there is no sense of adventure because there is nothing left to explore or conquer....
You probably saw the last of the best of it; Patrick. I saw a grey, dismal, boring place
Grins
The old Lion seems to have fall in a definitive sleep thanks to modern time, the same TV, the same newspapers, the same food, the idiot wind seems to have iron out all individualities, or most of it.
Still their humour prevail...in eldest.
And the beauty of the country side is still magnifiscient, take a place like Bath!
In the end the Queen was right and the folk were wrong, she should not have give in.
Bath is beautiful, as is the Cornish coastline and DevonGW
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