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• Re: That has tradition--- - patrickU 01:57:20 03/01/06 (12)
  In Reply to: Oh!... Wow! The Fifth Element in HD is coming! posted by Victor Khomenko on February 28, 2006 at 16:55:43:

  It was one of the first to be on DVD here in Europe.
  Also one of the greatest nothing of all time.
  
  

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  • The Asylum harbingers of good taste have spoken....everyone take note! - TWB 12:49:27 03/01/06 (5)
    In Reply to: Re: That has tradition--- posted by patrickU on March 1, 2006 at 01:57:20:

    Sorry...I like the movie...mindless entertainment on a Sat. afternoon with my son...the Jean-Paul Gaultier costumes are great as are the special effects and some of the dialogue is a riot...BIG BADDA BOOM....not all films are to be taken seriously, some are for pure entertainment value! Get over it!
    
    

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    • Re: What should I answer to that?---- - patrickU 01:10:23 03/02/06 (0)
      In Reply to: The Asylum harbingers of good taste have spoken....everyone take note! posted by TWB on March 1, 2006 at 12:49:27:

      That YOU did not wrote down below?
      In one word, you missed a good occasion to stay quite.....
      
      

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    • Problem is NOT that you enjoy crap... we all do... it is... - Victor Khomenko 12:53:03 03/01/06 (3)
      In Reply to: The Asylum harbingers of good taste have spoken....everyone take note! posted by TWB on March 1, 2006 at 12:49:27:

      ...that you don't realize it is crap.

      Nothing wrong with some mindless entertainment, and no matter the volume of your red herring no one ever suggested otherwise.

      But crap remains crap, even if we sometimes like it. There are many crappy movies which I enjoyed, and some of them - more than once.
      

      
      
      
      

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      • such as "Wild Things" - will buy on HD DVD!!! - EdM 15:32:21 03/01/06 (0)
        In Reply to: Problem is NOT that you enjoy crap... we all do... it is... posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 12:53:03:

        along with Fifth Element I might add.
        Music is Emotion
        
        

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      • Sorry but I disagree...everything in perspective and everything has it's purpose... - TWB 13:54:19 03/01/06 (1)
        In Reply to: Problem is NOT that you enjoy crap... we all do... it is... posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 12:53:03:

        I won't say that it's crap...because I don't think so... it does IMO have redeeming qualities which sets it above say something like Planet of the Apes (the remake) which I do think was crap... now I'm sure someone will dogpile on me and tell me I'm full of it...that they like that movie...but IMO it was crap and I (as a rule) like Tim Burton's movies....You see what I mean, everyone's mileage will vary....
        
        

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        • That is totally unimportant - Victor Khomenko 14:16:14 03/01/06 (0)
          In Reply to: Sorry but I disagree...everything in perspective and everything has it's purpose... posted by TWB on March 1, 2006 at 13:54:19:

          That you like a movie someone else doesn't should not bother you, or me... or anyone else. Heck, there is someone who claimed the 8 1/2 was crap... so what? I still love that film. Only fools get defensive when someone doesn't share their choices.

          But that was not my point. It was, rather, that we all can enjoy the lowly entertainment, like we can enjoy Coca Cola now and then, knowing full well it is not good in any sense and we should drink something wholesome instead.

          
          

          
          
          
          

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  • When will Criterion move its collection to HD? - Victor Khomenko 06:26:50 03/01/06 (5)
    In Reply to: Re: That has tradition--- posted by patrickU on March 1, 2006 at 01:57:20:

    I also often wondered... what caused so many to fall in love with that atrocious diva scene? Good music? Lack of exposure to classical opera?

    It sounds to me one could get any number of Franco Zeffirelli opera films and get the REAL thing... "Callas Forever"... Don Carlo... Otello... Pagliacci... La Traviata... this is just scratching the surface.

    
    

    
    
    
    

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    • Re: When will Criterion move its collection to HD? - patrickU 06:34:42 03/01/06 (4)
      In Reply to: When will Criterion move its collection to HD? posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 06:26:50:

      This pure half way synthetic voice makes me shivering, a kind of anti climax down my spine...
      And worse, it was on all Hi-fi shows for years in Germany...

      And much " boum-boum ". And what a bad playing.
      A nightmare.
      A living one.

      When you compare it( can we ) to " Blade runner " there is such a difference!
      
      

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      • It was the same horror story here in the US - Victor Khomenko 06:43:26 03/01/06 (3)
        In Reply to: Re: When will Criterion move its collection to HD? posted by patrickU on March 1, 2006 at 06:34:42:

        Sometimes I wonder... what is all that flock mentality?

        About ten years ago you could not walk through the Hi-Fi show without hearing Spanish Harlem play in every room. Five years ago it was that dumb diva everywhere.

        I recall how, years ago, in the middle of that that crap I stumbled over the Shun Mook room, and there the monk was playing Mozart's 17th piano concerto - one of my favorites... I can't express how grateful I was for those minutes of refuge...

        And if that makes me not a videophile... or audiophile, for that matter, then so be it!
        

        
        
        
        

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        • Re: It was the same horror story here in the US - patrickU 06:53:02 03/01/06 (2)
          In Reply to: It was the same horror story here in the US posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 06:43:26:

          It was the celebration of "video meets pseudo Hi-Fi ".
          Spanish Harlem was cool when compared to that crap! At least it was some kind of moderate...
          Like jazz at the Pawshop another anti-musical anti-climax...

          Refuge? That is in truth the right word.
          Like escaping....Ha-ha!
          
          

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          • Right about the Harlem - there was soul to it... the first ten times you heard it - Victor Khomenko 07:01:03 03/01/06 (1)
            In Reply to: Re: It was the same horror story here in the US posted by patrickU on March 1, 2006 at 06:53:02:

            Too bad the industry had to kill its delicate soul.

            Years ago one reviewer said about "audiophile" recordings something like "good recordings of something I don't want to hear"... so true.

            And now we are going through the same with all that HD DVD hoopla...
            

            
            
            
            

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            • Re: Right about the Harlem - there was soul to it... the first ten times you heard it - patrickU 07:06:30 03/01/06 (0)
              In Reply to: Right about the Harlem - there was soul to it... the first ten times you heard it posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 07:01:03:

              Last page of the last TAS...Many truths...
              
              

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• Well now, will wonders never cease? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! - Audiophilander 00:49:19 03/01/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Oh!... Wow! The Fifth Element in HD is coming! posted by Victor Khomenko on February 28, 2006 at 16:55:43:

  I figured that The Fifth Element was the kind of silly grey poupon mustard that would be right up your alley! (~B^D)

  Then again, it IS science fiction cinema, albeit ridiculously camp, but at the same time it's highly European in flavor, so I guess you have to denounce this flick even if it's a guilty pleasure, don't you? ;^)

  AuPh
  
  

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• Re: Good grief! - Jeff Starrs 00:27:16 03/01/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Oh!... Wow! The Fifth Element in HD is coming! posted by Victor Khomenko on February 28, 2006 at 16:55:43:

  I agree!
  I hated it, too, when I first saw it....cliché after hysterical cliché but maybe I was expecting something a little 'finer'.
  
  

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• It's the Dark Side of the Moon for videophiles. - Tom §. 20:50:52 02/28/06 (17)
  In Reply to: Oh!... Wow! The Fifth Element in HD is coming! posted by Victor Khomenko on February 28, 2006 at 16:55:43:

  I don't see why.

  Strange colors....hurt eyes....
  
  

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  • A better reference - jbmcb 06:20:59 03/02/06 (0)
    In Reply to: It's the Dark Side of the Moon for videophiles. posted by Tom §. on February 28, 2006 at 20:50:52:

    Toy Story 2. Pure digital to digital transfer, hardly any compression artifacts, and a better than life color pallet. If a display device can handle it without choking, it's set up pretty well. Granted, there are no flesh tones or blue skys to key off of, but I've seen RPTV's that look fine with live action film look fuzzy and bleed color on Toy Story. After further calibration to fix the problems with T.S.2, the live action films looked even better.

    It's imminently more watchable than the Fifth Element as well. "It's the chicken man!" Hehe.

    Monsters, Inc. is also a good reference, an equally good transfer as well as loads of well recorded acoustic jazz for the audio guys to enjoy.
    
    /*Music is subjective. Sound is not.*/
    
    

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  • I think you're right - Bersani 22:06:54 02/28/06 (15)
    In Reply to: It's the Dark Side of the Moon for videophiles. posted by Tom §. on February 28, 2006 at 20:50:52:

    I never understood why, either. Heck, if somebody wants eye candy, what about something like Baraka? Not only was it shot on 70mm, it's also a good film.

    In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality.

    
    -Anthony

    
    
    

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    • Re: I think you're right - Tom §. 16:28:35 03/01/06 (3)
      In Reply to: I think you're right posted by Bersani on February 28, 2006 at 22:06:54:

      In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality.

      Just a feeling? It's been a lot more blatant to me than that. It's specifically why I go there every once in awhile.

      In regards to Fifth Element, I would have enjoyed it more if it weren't for Chris Tucker. I don't think even he liked his own performance.

      But why Fifth Element for videophiling? Is it because the visual style always shoots for as much ΔE in one frame? Is it the brief glimpse of anorexic girl flesh?

      
      
      

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      • Re: I think you're right - Bersani 17:50:57 03/01/06 (2)
        In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Tom §. on March 1, 2006 at 16:28:35:

        "Just a feeling? It's been a lot more blatant to me than that."

        I was being nice :)

        After all, the AVS forum was a good resource when I was trying to gather as much information as possible about video projectors. Now that I have one, I could hardly be less interested in reading about video equipment. Strange, huh?

        
        -Anthony

        
        
        
        

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        • AVS is the video equivelant of AA (nt) - Jack G 06:09:27 03/03/06 (0)
          In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 17:50:57:

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        • Jesus... - Victor Khomenko 17:56:28 03/01/06 (0)
          In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 17:50:57:

          You mostly said the same things I posted in response to Jack G.

          Scary...

          ***Now that I have one, I could hardly be less interested in reading about video equipment. Strange, huh?

          I say - normal.
          

          
          
          
          

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    • Yay! Baraka! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:43:12 03/01/06 (0)
      In Reply to: I think you're right posted by Bersani on February 28, 2006 at 22:06:54:

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    • Re: I think you're right - Jack G 05:00:55 03/01/06 (9)
      In Reply to: I think you're right posted by Bersani on February 28, 2006 at 22:06:54:

      > > > In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality. < < <
      Videophiles interested in picture quality? WHO'LD A THUNK IT?
      Next you'll be claiming audiophiles are interested in sound quality.
      Jack
      
      

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      • Re: I think you're right - Bersani 11:50:29 03/01/06 (8)
        In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 05:00:55:

        My point is that with the majority of videophiles, picture size and quality seems to be a means to its own end. A greater percetage of audiophiles on the other hand started out with a love of music, regardless of fidelity.

        -Anthony

        
        
        

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        • Re: I think you're right - Jack G 12:11:06 03/01/06 (7)
          In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 11:50:29:

          Does that mean you'll sell your system for a Bose wave? Do you know any audiophiles that will worry about the soundstage while tweaking a system? Do you know anyone who ever spend a day swapping power chords to see which sounds best? How about swapping tubes? Both hobbies can have their extremes, but that's not the norm and they are very similar.
          Most videophiles love watching movies (and sometimes TV), and the system is just a way to maximize that enjoyment. Just like audiophiles and their systems. I see them as flip sides of the same coin.
          Jack
          
          

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          • You missed my point again - Bersani 13:05:57 03/01/06 (3)
            In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 12:11:06:

            In my original post I wrote, "In my experience with the AVS Forum years ago, I got the feeling most of those guys were interested in image quality more so than film quality."

            By "film quality," I meant GOOD films, not the multi-million dollar visual spectacles that videophiles seem to be crazy about. It's less common to find audiophiles who listen primarily to a handful of sonic spectaculars.

            As far as the audio video debate goes, I agree with Victor... but that's another subject.

            
            -Anthony
            
            

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            • I understood you-you missed my point - Jack G 13:48:29 03/01/06 (2)
              In Reply to: You missed my point again posted by Bersani on March 1, 2006 at 13:05:57:

              My point was, that many audiophiles will choose sound and recording quality over quality of the music. The old joke is, if it *sounds* good, the music must suck.
              Tell the truth, would you rather watch your favorite movie on a 23" B&W Tv or a 50" plasma?
              Jack
              
              

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              • You just HAVE to ask those hard questions - Victor Khomenko 17:54:52 03/01/06 (1)
                In Reply to: I understood you-you missed my point posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 13:48:29:

                It is not really a question of a 23" B&W vs. plasma... no one would argue such silly thing. It is a question of what role do those decisions play in your life. If you buy the plasma and then forget about it, simply start enjoing movies it is one thing. If you spend thousands on having it calibrated, set up, upgraded, replaced, etc, etc, etc, and constantly reading about better TV's then it is something different.

                I bought a plasma years ago, and never since then had any bug about learning about new models... about upgrading... knowing full well the technology had moved great deal. It just doesn't bother me one bit, as what I have is good enough for my image flipping, plus some.

                When it breaks I will replace it with a modern version, whatever will be modern at that time, but I will not even read any reviews - not now, not when time comes to replace it. When I bought it I simply asked one guy, and he happened to have this one at a good price. Deal!

                So I don't know what bin you put me in... I love movies... and I do not care much about image quality... as long as it is... well... adequate.
                

                
                
                
                

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                • Good point - Jack G 05:51:36 03/02/06 (0)
                  In Reply to: You just HAVE to ask those hard questions posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 17:54:52:

                  You are probably amoung the largest group of people where you want quality and buy it then its done. Above Joe sixpack who buys into the flash, but not the obsessive hobbyist. I'm in that group, but *closer* to the hobbyist side. When I bought my set, I had to promise my wife I wouldn't treat it like I used to treat audio. I'll keep this set until it dies.
                  Jack
                  
                  

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          • That is not correct - Victor Khomenko 12:23:34 03/01/06 (2)
            In Reply to: Re: I think you're right posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 12:11:06:

            There have been numerous studies all affirming that humans receive and process visual and audio information differently, with video one being, in somewhat simplistic terms, more primitive in terms of response and processing. Things like TV channel flipping are to some degree result of that insatiable appetite for quickly changing images, and so are the commercials. There is no such analog in audio world.

            So as I said before, I see all such alanogies between video and audio realms as completely and fundamentally flawed.
            

            
            
            
            

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            • That's not the point - Jack G 12:34:25 03/01/06 (1)
              In Reply to: That is not correct posted by Victor Khomenko on March 1, 2006 at 12:23:34:

              The *hobbyists* are very similar. Videophiles think of their system along similar lines as audiophiles think of theirs. I've noticed with the fast growth of the HT/video industry, quite a few audiophiles are becoming videophiles.
              Jack
              
              

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              • Well... - Victor Khomenko 12:50:23 03/01/06 (0)
                In Reply to: That's not the point posted by Jack G on March 1, 2006 at 12:34:25:

                Yes, you can say that a crazy hobbyists exist in every field, that is true, but still there are different hobbies that address different parts of the brain. One can be a crazy foodball nut, or a book worm, and those who, while sharing passion, do not do similar things to the "nut" brain.

                It is not elitism to suggest that love of images is lower on totem pole than appreciation of sounds, as the sounds always mean more brain processing, while the images go immediately to the spinal cord, if you will.

                That is why people are so easily hooked on images, witness multiple TV's in every home, with sounds always playing much more modest role.

                Movies represent an interesting case. They start dangerously close to flickering images, but the good ones quickly evolve into cerebral exercise, where images begin to play secondary role, and other attributes take importance... hence my soft disdain for image quailty in movies.
                

                
                
                
                

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• Re: Oh!... Wow! The Fifth Element in HD is coming! - Wendell Narrod 18:49:09 02/28/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Oh!... Wow! The Fifth Element in HD is coming! posted by Victor Khomenko on February 28, 2006 at 16:55:43:

  Oh Victor! I love that movie. It's funny, fast paced and I never tire of the Diva scene. I've got the SuperBit DVD and it looks great.

  Wendell
  
  

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