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In Reply to: RE: I didn't say I admired his work... posted by afilado on December 04, 2008 at 14:53:57
to give a reason whereas Noe just depicts incredible violence and hatred. We sit and watch, like some spectator outside numbly watching and not interceding in some prolonged violent assault.
We all know the depths of human behavior, we have seen it. Merely to show it, therefore, isn't intellectually rigorous, demanding. It is easy. I'd argue art never can be. Noe's films don't challenge the viewer, unless it is to sit still for the visual assault. We are victimized as much as the character and I, frankly, don' like the feeling.
"Vamypr" is highly stylized and the violence serves the purpose of the story. All crimes are different and, yet, the same. Noe only shows the latter fact.
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... for no apparent reason, no easily understood reason. In real life.
How will the observer ever understand seeming meaningless acts of destruction if the protagonist himself doesn't? Somewhere there is that germ of motivation, that intersection of action and "reason" however demented it may be.
The film artist, as imaginative thinker/creator is as capable, maybe even more so, as the scientist in plumbing unknown depths of human behavior. In the simple showing of it, in exposing it in honest, cinematic ways the filmmaker gives opportunity for the viewer to expand on the original imagination.
It may be that the artist who produces easily accessible work is the one doing the greater disservice to his most ambitious viewer. His ideal viewer?
Noe has discipline. He shows so much and no more. What is HIS standard for sympathy/antipathy? Is he gauging his work with viewer tolerances in mind or is he just masturbating.
Giving him credit for artistic restraint/management in any degree requires one to take him seriously. Not only a masturbator, a shockmeister. One must then ask where is the artistic relationship between violence and service to story, not if it exists at all.
Who is the more meaningful artist? The one who produces the piece with readymade reasoning or the one who provokes broader opportunities for insight not otherwise available if the showing were never made, however perverse?
I doubt Noe is so crude an artist that he wants simply to shock. What about someone like Damien Hirst?
preserve them for viewing. ;-)
It's hard to explain why Noe is exploitive and Haneke isn't. It's like pornography and the old definition: you know it when you see it.
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