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USA network pulled the season finale tonight do to similarities of the shooing in VA...see link...thanks
MarkTHIS WHOLE THREAD IS NOTHING BUT SPOILERS!!! It got legs and took its own form of life...
Trust me on this one and watch it on-demand or download it from the USA App...if you like intricate plots, flawed characters, morality questions of society, first person narration and good to great acting...this is a must watch...
Edits: 09/06/15Follow Ups:
When does the next season begin?
silly. we live in a violent world driven by tv, movies and video games.
out of said window. Good pickup on the father's cough indicating an illness.
Man these last two episodes have really rocketed along with great reveals.
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"E Burres Stigano?"
...exactly 'what' are the similarities with the 2 journalist murders by the 'disgruntled former employee' and with the series finale of Mr. Robot.
I gotta wonder. Will there be a shooting where the shooter records himself doing the deed? Or is there some perceived comparison between Elliot and the shooter in Virginia?
Hmmm.
anyway, this makes the 3rd viewing of episode 9 I've had. You'd think I'd be picking up on all the tells by now.
Hmm. The flashback memory of Mr. Robot in his computer store circa 199? when they sold pentium 90s. At one point he coughs as if to indicate some malignant condition within his lungs. Suggesting that this may have been how he died.
But that is kind of contradicted by the scene in the old home with Elliot pushing his father out the 2nd story window. Of course this was a delusion. We don't know if it was a memory or imagination. I had thought, because of this scene, that perhaps Elliot had had a hand in his father's death. But none of this is reliable.
crap. Another week to see how this turns out.
-Steve
I need some time to disseminate it all...the last scene after the credits...brings a whole new list of questions...
Was it Terrell knocking on Elliot's door??
Very much a Fight Club themed plot line with the spit personality and financial collapse as the end game...
The café scene right out of Fight Club when he is fighting himself...switching between Mr. Robot and Elliot...
Who made the broadcast? Elliot or Terrell?
Lost of meat and potatoes here...
thanks
Mark
Yeah. The final scene post credit. One bit of dialog sticks out. "We know who he is and we'll deal with him in the usual way"....said Evil Corp ceo Phillip Price to the Chinese businessman.
I doubt Evil Corp has a fix on Elliot. But if they followed Tyrell after his dismissal.....
Tyrell. The way Elliot wakes up in Tyrell's SUV points toward an absent Tyrell and asks where is he?
The dialog between Elliot and Tyrell's wife was very interesting. She seemed a bit transparent after the conversation progressed. Aside note: Botox lips general look hair and face remind me of A. Jolie 10 years ago.
This business about Elliot being unable to function without the delusion of his father's presence and conversation seems over the top. Like Elliot just masterminded the worlds biggest hack and he seems not to have any memory of just doing it.
He can't function without the illusion of his dead father telling him what he must do. Ok, so this is how he has been operating. But now things are unraveling since he's been off his meds.
By now that we have come to see all the way into Elliot's disturbed mentality, I find the knowing of it less interesting/somewhat repelling than the not knowing. Or maybe I lack enough patience to wade through what's delusional and what's real when the camera is on Elliot. If next season continues this way it may wear thin on me.
Still, pretty exciting. A world wide banking melt-down. One day before the worlds' largest stock market crash. Imagine the great depression times 20. Or perhaps the beginning of anarchy...or is it socialism...or is it....the end of capitalism as we have known it.
The CFO suicide live on camera. Now we see what the similarity was between last weeks journalism murders and this episode. similar enough. Probably the right call by USA network to delay the final episode one week.
Lots to digest. I've got it on the dvr. I'll watch again to make sure I have everything lined up.
-Steve
Steve
You touched a couple of things that bothered me also...first I did like the idea of NOT knowing Mr. Robot, aka Dad, was real or not...
The café scene of dialing 911, to summon his dear old Dad...then getting Elliot punched in the face...then the fight club of him wrestling himself with the wide shot...
The time square scene, which was actual bad green screen, was a little hokey talking to the family on the beach...that they will always be there...
The flashback cemetery scene revealing more of his delusion...
The All Safe Corp going defunct, I believe might be some foreshadowing of potential new character arcs...Angela's NEW position at E-Corp felt a little too high up the corporate ladder too soon...giving her access to the CEO and then Philip Price interacting with her so soon...giving her cash for new shoes...Titanic is sinking, he is all calm...
Angela's shoe shopping scene was interesting...was she going to the dark side? Or what are her motivation NOW that E-corp was dealt a major blow...Do not know her end game...the shoe salesman giving ALL the reasons WHY she wanted to take E-Corp down...HHHHmmmmm....
I have really enjoyed your insights on this series Steve...
thanks
Mark
You did recognize White Rose as a man in the final scene after the credits I hope.
This brings conspiracy against Evil Corp as a possible conspiracy by Evil Corp.
Is Angela's quick ascent at Evil Corp a way to "deal" with Elliot?
I loved this season finale, because, like the whole rest of the season, it was not anything at all I would have expected. And although, Mr. Robot has been revealed as a delusion, there is still a whole lot of mystery left.
After all, Tyrell is gone, and 3 days that have apparently changed the world are lost to amnesia.
Looking forward to season 2.
Whiterose as the tranny in the Faraday cage (episode 8). Leader of the Dark Army. And then again as an unnamed business associate in the post credit scene talking with CEO Price. yeah. The plot thickens. They were playing Elliot all along.....right?
I missed that. But when you look at photographs of Whiterose and the businessman played by the same actor, BD Wong, the similarity of facial features are strong.
Angela. What made her choose to sign on with Evil Corp?!! I guess season 2 will fill us in on that. Will she turn against Elliot? Or will she spy for fsociety against E-Corp. There was that enticing comment from Colby about effecting change from within. Who knows? But we gotta know. So season 2 can't come quick enough.
Price. Angela asks him why he seems so cool and collected while the world seems to be falling apart all around him and his company. In retrospect, he must have seen this coming. Where is CEO Price in all of this? I missed that one also.
Tyrell. Not one of Elliot's delusions. Is he dead? Well the cops were looking for him as a person of interest in connection with the murder in episode 7. His disappearance seems plausible for a couple of reasons. Either the cops have him or he's hiding out..... or somebody whacked him like he deserved.
Wow. I can't recall any TV series ..... ever, that always stayed one step ahead of its viewers. Not to mention the intentional misleading visuals. By now we know that Elliot's narration is unreliable. It has been revealed as such. What is his condition; disassociative identity disorder? Now we know that. The dialog furnishes clues along the way. I think we can take most of what is spoken by every 'other' character (that isn't one of Elliot's delusions) as factual. It is just Elliot that we can't trust.
Yeah. I'm on board for season 2.
-Steve
Is she another part of his personality???
thanks
Mark
"Is she another part of his personality???"
I think she's real. We see her and Angela together in episode 1.7 at the old house where someone got pushed out a bedroom window.
But boy would that be weird if it was. Remember that scene where Elliot kisses Darlene and then she reacts badly. This is where we begin to realize that Elliot has been having his delusions...and not just little ones. At that moment he realizes Darlene is his sister. For some reason he'd blanked out on that.
But half of this fun is the writer/creator just messing about with the minds of his audience. Just as the author misleads his readers. The producer/director misleads his audience. We've been led on a hunt for wild geese.
-Steve
Yeah and the other F-society interacting with her...and the cemetery scene...a girl I know who was way into the series came up with that...
BUT could it BE Elliot solo with Darlene as him...I am going to re-watch the whole series...
It has been fun...I just had a moment of HHHHHmmmmm...no family photos and no where on the jumbo-tron in TS..."we will always be with you"...
these questions and many more I do not have the answer too...looking back at early interactions should be interesting...
Thanks again for humoring me...
Mark
Ps...she really has not been fully flushed out yet...
Darlene:
In that earlier episode where Elliot goes through his 'detox' hallucinations, Elliot sees a little girl at the apartment where he'd gone to get some morphine/heroin. That little girl, might be Elliot's sister Darlene as a youngster. If so that serves to indicate a family connection between Elliot and Darlene. So...if Darlene isn't in his cd family album, she's in that detox delusion.
What if, in that detox hallucination, Elliot is re-living an event that actually occurred. There was a shooting. Someone took a bullet in the gut. Perhaps that is where a tragedy did occur in Elliot's childhood. A drug deal gone bad, someone in Elliot's family dies there and then.
The scene with Angela and Darlene at the ballet class. In that episode it was revealed that they had known each other for a long time,.... since childhood.
In one of the later episodes we see Darlene with an unidentified man, evidently successful because of view of NYC from his luxurious penthouse.
It appears they've shared the bed overnight. Out on the penthouse balcony their conversation indicates knowledge of F-society and its impending operation.
After he leaves the penthouse, presumably for work, we see Darlene taking above said gentleman's pistol from his safe. She has to figure out his password to get into the safe, but she already knows it because she has known the guy and how he thinks. From the safe she gets his gun and then later toward the end of the episode, she hands the gun to Elliot at the Cony Island F-society headquarters.
Mr. Robot.(Slater). We now associate Mr. Robot as Elliot's dead father. But all bets are off. Sam Esmail (series creator) is making up the rules of this drama and he's not above misleading us all.
Mr. Robot might be real,if...... Elliot himself is a delusion. What if Elliot isn't Elliot. Whoever he might be, he just dreamed up this identity in order to obscure his real self.... He could be an E-corp insider.
What if Mr. Robot is real and assumes his son Elliot's identity as he would be had Elliot the child lived long enough to grow up....?
The moment I think some part of this series seems solid, it becomes possible to work around it with another flight of paranoid fantasy.
Tyrell: what if Elliot is really the product of Tyrell's psychotic imagination?
Did Tyrell really murder Sharron Knowles? Or is that another figment.
To us Tyrell seems real because he and his wife and baby are living in that brownstone. This we think cements his existence. Yet Mr. Robot's meeting with Tyrell in that limo could indicate that the meeting occurred with Elliot and Tyrell....or......if Tyrell is actually another paranoid figment of Elliot's imagination. Or was it Elliot talking to Elliot?
Or, if Elliot is really just an invention in someone else's deluded mind, that person just plays these invented characters out in his very creative yet troubled mind .... while he resides in a padded room wearing his customary straight jacket. (which is where I might end up should I continue to dwell on this enigmatic hacker series.)
All bets are off. What's real is hard to nail down because Esmail the series creator doesn't want to give us very much substance.
-Steve
The mention of Ashley Madison...
the stock market looking like an EKG these last few weeks...
the stock footage of POTUS and his cabinet members, along with the head of FRB...
F-society rallying people like Citizens United tried to do...taking to the streets with the masks, (see V for Vendetta)...
Where did all those masks come from? I have a hard time believing stores were stocked up with that exact mask...I know a small detail, but still raised the question in my head...
Whiterose and the business man IMHO were the same person, (I have always enjoyed BD Wong as a strong character actor)...he delivers credibility to all his roles...
Angela's shoe buying scene, still haunts me a little...well placed in the episode and raises all the questions you have mentioned...
Ok...this is not Game of Thrones...but damn for network TV, IMHO...is as good as it gets...I think being on USA network hurt its overall ratings...but the media and word of mouth has giving this some real legs...
I am going to re-watch the whole season, just to see what I missed...this took you week to week raising more questions than answers...the writers did a great job with the slow play...as I have stated before the sub-plots were mostly morality tales...giving Elliot integrity "to do the right thing", all the way of taking the cheating dudes dog...which came around early in the episode and another reason the police/FBI "may" play a bigger role in season 2...
Ok...I really liked how creped out Tyrell's wife Joanna made me feel and was total scene stealer and it was not because of her beauty, (Stephanie Corneliussen)...see is a cross between Miranda Kerr and Angelina Jolie, as you have mentioned Steve) Definitely has that Eastern European features...
Her total twisted dedication to Tyrell's "career" is hard to comprehend...I love when they speak German to each other...How she just let's Tyrell sleep with dudes and do whatever it takes for him to advance his end game, murder included...if they were to show her baby, I was expecting Damien or Rosemary's Baby or Chucky...the scene when she goes to the kitchen and "hurts" herself to diffuse the police questioning Tyrell...while she was PREGNANT...did that cause the a premature birth? Where did she injure herself? She is definitely embedded herself as much bigger character in Season 2...
Anyways this was a great show...Kevin Spacey has stated that TV has hijacked all the great writers verses the Movie Industry...you can tell much more detailed stories, develop characters more and ask and answer more questions in 10 episodes verses a 2-hour movie...I would tend to agree with him...
Thanks
Mark
Interesting show for sure, a sign of the times, absolutely!
I saw nothing wrong w/ the suicide scene. More disturbing was actor B.D. Wong in drag...
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