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In Reply to: RE: Where will Baldwin's blank take us? posted by Billy Wonka on October 22, 2021 at 16:48:59
1. Don't point a gun at anyone (unless you intend to use it).
2. Make sure the gun is unloaded. Don't take someone else's word for it. But you still don't point it at anyone.
Then, of course, there is modern technology. Fake guns plus CGI can do wonders. There is no need to fire guns with live ammunition (including blanks).
Obviously the basics of firearm safety were not observed (1 and 2 above), and that includes Baldwin, not just the person who handed him the gun and those responsible for keeping track of the guns.
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My guess is many of today's actors have no experience with firearms. Reeves is a exception. That is why a armorer is always part of films with firearms.
This is a sad deal where two levels of checking were supposedly in place to do the checking.
They point their guns at each other all the time, just like in life.
Actually guns are quite rarely pointed at humans on a film set unless the gun is empty. Even with empty guns they are pointed at humans less often than not. The magic of cinema.
and how it came to be that an actor was handed a loaded gun and was told it was cold is a matter of criminal neglect on the part of the armorer and the first AD. I was just on a set with a gun just a few weeks ago. And our prop master and amrmorer are real pros. They made the actors both look at the gun as per the protocols before every take.There was a point where we were all kind of rolling our eyes.
rest assured when this horrible accident happened most of the crew and the actors on our show took time to thank out propmaster for his professionalism.
It's easy for an actor to not worry about a gun on set and trust the crew. They are often very focused on the performance. and it's really really rare when something goes wrong. So as much as we respect those protocols there are moments, like take 15 with the same gun that we get lazy.
Recoil is almost impossible to duplicate with a 'make believe' or 'fake' gun. And recoil is essential in actions gun scenes.
I think only people intimately familiar with weapons should be rendering their valuable insight.
This is probably a dumb question but why doesn't someone invent a gun that can't fire real bullets but can only be "noise makers" (blanks or whatever that can't kill anyone) - is this really that tough to design?
I think the answer is two fold. It's not easy to mimic gun action without that kind of explosive force. Could it be done? I think it could. But I think we are talking about a pretty expensive prop.Not just for the internal mechanisms but for the authentic exterior as well. And there are a lot of different kinds of guns needed for movies.
That leads to the second issue. The market. Given the cost of building such a gun how many would such a prop maker be able to sell?
Not a dumb question and IMO a good idea. Might not be a good business venture though. But...there might be a future for it. Essentially that was the idea behind blanks. But that was a relatively cheap and fast solution.
Well, that makes sense - it's all about profits after all - so perhaps there is a simple solution. At first, I thought maybe they need to be more clearly marked/differentiated but blanks seem to look quite a bit different than a regular bullet.
I can't see how one could mistake a real round from a blank from the above photo
they didn't. What happened was the armorer left the guns unattended. Members of the crew took the guns, went out in the desert and shot cans with live rounds. They returned the guns and left a live round in the one gun. The armorer was not present when the scene was being shot. The first AD who is a notorious A-hole brazenly grabbed the gun in haste to move things along, claimed it was cold without checking and... you know the rest.
It was a perfect storm of idiocy, incompetence and arogance. BUT a fake gun that simulates the action of a real gun would have prevented this from the start.
Definitely not a dumb question. I suspect there may be a push to eliminate the use of any actual guns on movie sets.
NT
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