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In Reply to: RE: Okay, now we're on to Schindler's List? First off, didn't posted by tinear on November 09, 2007 at 07:31:23
"Besides, Black Book had the absolute dumbest premise of recent filmdom. She and all those brilliant guys couldn't guess there was an informant and who it was?"
Man, your obtuseness is unbelievable. The resistance, and the audience, learns of a betrayal when the Nazi nut pulls the wire from behind the picture. WE ARE WATCHING THE FILM AND SEE HER BEING HELD CAPTIVE BY THE NAZIS AS THEY ARE PULLING THE WIRE FROM THE PAINTING, TALKING TO THE RESISTANCE INTO THE MICROPHONE. THE RESISTANCE DOES NOT SEE THIS (they apparently forgot to look into the camera), AND THINK THAT SHE HAS SQUEALED, AND THAT HER CRIES WITH HER MOUTH CUPPED IS ACTUALLY LAUGHTER. THEY THOUGHT THEY KNEW THE RAT AND DID NOT NEED TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE.
Now, do you think you can figure out, since I spelled it out for you, why the resistance did not know the identity of the rat while the audience had a fighting chance? Tin, you must try to remember that the characters in the film are not actually watching the film contemporaneously with us.
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that episode.
But we're not characters, are we?
It was painfully obvious to the viewer, or at least this one, which was my point.
Actually, the guy was shown to be so unctuous a non-cretin could see it in his first scene.
I like the way you seize on one point, trying to ignore the other ten barbs poking into your face.
I am beginning to think we are dealing with a fifteen year old prankster who has seized control of the family computer while mom and dad are asleep.
Your first post contained but one barb, to wit: how could this woman fall in love with a sadistic Nazi. Well, the story is presumably based upon true events, so I guess the answer to your query is to contact her and ask her yourself, if she is still alive. Or perhaps one of her children. But that critism is not a critism of the film, assuming it simply recorded a true event, but rather a critism of her choice in lovers. That you cannot see the distinction tells me you cannot deviate from the script of your reference book "How to Sound Smart to Those Who Do Not Know You."
Which you did not substantively respond to.
Your second post, in response to Mr. Grits, contained your second barb, to wit: They could not guess who the informant was. To which I responded that they did guess, they guessed wrong, and that their guess was reasonable in light of the information available to them, as opposed to the audience.
Again, you did not substantively respond to.
Your third post was merely anothe version of the first, to wit: the filmmakers made the SS officer too sympathetic. To which I responded that, well, how do know? Perhaps he was sympathetic. If your world view is that all Nazis are the same, all sadistic killers, and there is no room for any belief that maybe some had a glimmer of compassion, then your issue is not with the film, but rather with yourself. Perhaps you need to learn more. By the way, what did you think of Hogan's Heroes?
I, as usual, substantively address your posts, whereas you merely restate the same old statements, incapable of supporting your ideas with facts, or analysis.
And please point out the ten barbs to which you referring that I am ignoring. I count three barbs, all of which I responded to. Three more than you have. You brilliant retorts are limited to telling me to cuddle with my Adolph doll. Now I know why your wife supports you.
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