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In Reply to: RE: John Cassavetes......Gloria isn't his best effort posted by grinagog on March 19, 2009 at 19:27:18
I've seen "Husbands" and the others. Falk and Gazarra are longtime favorites.
By no means am I a student of his work but my understanding is that contrary to popular belief his films were heavily scripted, allowing only delivery to be improvised. That includes "Husbands". Educate me, if the case is otherwise.
Almodovar is not that high in my regard either. Simply a matter of sympathy, of taste, nothing more. I understand his well-deserved fame. I take your word for the account re his covering Cassavetes' scene.
Maybe I'll reconsider Cassavetes in another ten years. Right now, I'm convinced of his abiding clunkiness.
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so it's almost bound to be more "clunky" than, say, more sophisticated European or UK efforts
From Husbands: ( scene in a London casino )
Falk: Y'think we're being bein' kinda LOUD ?
Gazarra: We're AMERICANS fer Chrissake...
Shakespeare it ain't, but it's a great scene + these guys are having a good time all through the film; scripted or no it's very very "Un-Hollywood" + Falk + Gazarra + Casavettes carry this film well
I cut Cassavettes slack because he was an independent filmmaker, which was a very uncommon thing to be in the USA at the time he did it
Now independent filmmaking is fashionable + commercial, but he was a pioneer, sailing in uncharted waters, doing his own thing in his own way + trying to push the envelope ( + on his own dime )
If you watch "Shadows" which has a Jazz soundtrack by Charles Mingus the film has a kind of be-bop sensibility, where he's not playing to please an audience as much as to put his story across in his way + it succeeds quite admirably
Warhol made independent films like "Trash" + "Heat" or "Flesh for Frankenstein" + these aren't anywhere near as much fun as Cassavetes films while being every bit as clunky....
Art: it's a pain in the ass, but someone has to do it
GW
fun.......better than it is. LOL. You're right, there are moments.I feel all better now, having vented. Probably over reacted, too. But I still think "Gloria" is a mess.
No kidding, thanks.
Edits: 03/19/09
patience is a virtue, Cassavetes wasn't making movies for the Game-boy generationYeah, "Gloria" is pretty much unwatchable; apart from the dreaded Gena Rowlands the kid ( child actor would be more PC ) is atrociously miscast
Funny thing is, that was a relatively popular film back then + probably Cassavetes most commercially successful ( go figure )
Difficult to believe; but "Minnie + Moskowitz" is actually *worse* than "Gloria" + made on a much lower budget
Cassavetes was nominated by the Writers Guild of America for the screenplay of M + M, as "best comedy written for the screen"
( Go figure x 2 )
This would vindicate anyones taste in films ( ! )
GW
Edits: 03/20/09
...given him 4 decades to impress me. LOL. I'm moving on.
As you remind me, he has his moments and no doubt made his important contribution to self-made moviedom but when I see or think of his work I'm reminded of the Sam Johnson adage, "he's not only dull himself; he's the cause of dullness in others."
Like I said before, I appreciate knowing he's there, just not for me.
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