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In your world, "gangsters" are all scowling misanthropes. Dillinger

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In Reply to: RE: I'll regret this, but... posted by jamesgarvin on January 18, 2010 at 14:56:39

wasn't a cold-blooded killer because.... people liked him!
Next up, Bonnie and Clyde: misunderstood people that just happened to murder those that stood between them and a good day's work.

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You carry your daftness from outside to films too, I see... - jamesgarvin 06:47:44 01/19/10 (5)
Where did I write any of that nonsense? I note that you failed to address the topic, to wit, whether Depp's performance accurately depicted Dillinger, and instead brought in a strawman. Was Dillinger likeable? I suggest you watch the actual footage in the police station after he was captured, and the cops put their arms around Dillinger, and his around them, all of them smiling and laughing, and then come back when you have actually taken the time to do any research with those idle hours you have available.

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- What balderdash you write. You may remember a certain lawyer that was a vicious serial - tinear 07:35:02 01/19/10 (4)
  killer by the name of Ted Bundy. Judge Cowart at Bundy's last trial, at which young Ted was sentenced to death, ""Take care of yourself, young man. I say that to you sincerely; take care of yourself, please. It is an utter tragedy for this court to see such a total waste of humanity as I've experienced in this courtroom. You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer, and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't feel any animosity toward you. I want you to know that. Once again, take care of yourself."
  Gosh, he was a lovable guy, too. A regular Joe. You'd have been proud to practice with him, just like good ol' Judge Cowart. A good film of him would show what a likable, personable fellow he was. And go out of its way (how troublesome!) to avoid all mention or portrayal of his ultra-violent, sick crimes. Heck, ol' Ted, like Dillinger, just had a few bad habits is all.
  - One other thing... - jamesgarvin 09:09:27 01/19/10 (0)
    Need I do a search in Outside for your discussions of inner city residents committing murders wherein you provide, um, explanations for their crimes? Seems you hold white criminals from the midwest to a different standard. Maybe that is Tin's version of affirmative action.
  - You've still not answered the question.. - jamesgarvin 09:00:56 01/19/10 (2)
    which is how was Depp's performance historically inaccurate. Rather than discuss the actual, factual footage of Dillinger and the fact that the cops obviously liked him, you bring a completely unrelated criminal.
    
    The problem for you, Tin, is that all you see is black and white, and never gray. He was a criminal. Therefore, Dillinger must have been all bad. He was completely evil. He cannot be likeable. Case in point is the fact that you completely ignore the factual footage of him and cops laughing it up. You ignore it because it does not comport to your world view of black and white.
    
    Rather than discussing Bonnie and Clyde and Ted Bundy, how about discussing how Depp's performance was inaccurate. I've pasted Ebert's review, and he obviously get it.
    - Uh, no. Depp's portrayal had Dillinger as a regular guy who just - tinear 08:05:27 01/20/10 (1)
      happened to kill people. He was scum.
      As far as my posts exculpating murderers from slums or anywhere, go ahead. Spend your day researching. I look forward to it. You may wish to move this "outside," though, as it's not really film related at that point.
      - Will you ever answer the question???? - jamesgarvin 10:32:01 01/25/10 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Uh, no. Depp's portrayal had Dillinger as a regular guy who just posted by tinear on January 20, 2010 at 08:05:27
        
        Please provide the facts how Dillinger was not an average guy, except that he killed lots of people. Genius, Dahmer was an average guy, except that he killed lots of people. THAT IS HOW HE WAS NEVER CAUGHT. The smart criminal behaves like anyone else, so they do not get caught. The nutjobs are the ones that get caught by regular folks, because they, by their actions, identify themselves. Dillinger was able to walk aroung regular folks because he acted like them. That is, when he was not robbing banks.
        
        You bitch about Depp's performance. He did rob banks. He did kill people. That is ALL in the film. How did Dillinger act that Depp did not capture? All you keep talking about is that Depp portrayed Dillinger as a regular guy, all without providing a SINGLE example of how Dillinger acted that was NOT in the film.
        
        In other words, you have cannot accept the fact that Dillinger was a normal guy other than his occupation. Like Ebert wrote in his review, Dillinger's job was as a bank robber, just like someone else may be a mechanic. When Dillinger was not "working," he was a regular schlepp.
        
        Of course, you'll not provide the facts. You'd rather Depp create a fictional character to satisfy your notion that bank robbers and killers cannot have normal traits. That is your loss.
Dillinger was aware of his "celebrity status" + played up to it - grinagog 01:54:43 01/19/10 (2)
Here, he writes a letter to Henry Ford in 1934
"Hello Old Pal,
Arrived here at 10:00 AM today. Would like to drop in and see you.
You have a wonderful car. Been driving it for three weeks. It's a treat
to drive one. Your slogan should be, drive a Ford and watch the other
cars fall behind you. I can make any other car take a Ford's dust!
Bye-bye,
John Dillinger"
Bonnie Parker wrote poetry + sent this to newspapers + was published nationwide including "The Ballad of Bonnie + Clyde" + not to be outdone, Clyde Barrow wrote a letter to Ford as well thanking him for the reliability of the Ford V-8's ( he stole )
This is the "Dillinger" I wanted to see; vicious for sure, but also a certain back-woodsy + cocky humour that's hard, even now, not to admire
Not a hint of this in "Public Enemies"
GW

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- RE: Dillinger was aware of his "celebrity status" + played up to it - chazro@charter.net 12:16:33 01/22/10 (0)
  There wasn't a trace of 'Public Enemies' in Public Enemies. 'Public Enemies' was a book (that I read) detailing the infamous timeframe in which the outlaws Dillinger, Nelson, Floyd, the Barkers, and Bonnie & Clyde thrived in. The premise of the book that I found interesting was that these criminals lived and thrived in what was surprisingly, a very short timeframe. Although having read many books about these guys, for whatever reason, I never put together the reality that they only existed for a very short time. More interesting to counterpoint the fact that the TRUE gangsters, names like Luciano, Genovese, Bonanno, etc. flew largely under the radar in no small part, thanks to the cowboy-hick antics of the Public Enemies. I was hoping to see THIS story on the screen and was really dissapointed, as I love a good Mob movie!
- I think that is the problem for some here... - jamesgarvin 09:07:14 01/19/10 (0)
  That showing Dillinger had a human and humorous side is blasphemy. He was a killer, and showing him with style, wit, and humor is akin to excusing his acts. I think Ebert's review nailed it on the head. The point of the film was to show the mechanics of Dillinger, not the pathos.

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