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In Reply to: RE: Name some films, dammit........ posted by afilado on September 16, 2010 at 15:10:22
No, it is not a competition. No, it is fact. Whether a film is more 'realistic' to the subject is not an opinion because it can be an objective, provable fact. And whether it is considered an opinion or fact, both should have a foundation. I think it fair to ask Tin his foundation as to why the film he named was more 'realistic.' No, Scorcese does not say those films are his favorite gang films. He says those are the films that influenced his filmmaking, which is why he stopped at 1970.
Mine? I dunno'. I liked Donnie Brasco a lot. Casino. Godfathers I and II. If you extend the definition of 'mob' beyond the Italian mob tie, I'd add City of God. I really liked that film. Certainly Pulp Fiction.
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..an "objective provable fact" in a film, prove it.
Just a few mm above where it says "by Martin Scorcese" is the headline "Scorcese's FAVORITE gangster movies". Is that real?
I can tell you're not a movie lover because apparently you just copied a few titles from those who came before you. Can you name one that is fresh? Mob means organized crime with multiple participants.
J
I'll speak to something that I have some experience in for an example. I am a lawyer, and unfortunately find myself in a Courtroom on an almost daily basis. You have seen A Civil Action starring John Travolta? Remeber the scene in the beginning of the film in which his injured client is sitting at a table, moaning, which prompts Travolta to pass a note to the defense lawyer, who then looks like a deer in the headlights, who then, after several notes are passed back and forth, agrees to add some zeroes on the settlement? Someone who has no idea about the way lawyers and insurance companies work would know that would never happen in reality. It is simply a fact. The defense lawyer would know everything about that Plaintiff, would have had him surveilled, and would not be adding zeroes to a settlement based on some moans. It certainly makes for great entertainment, but it hardly reality.The headline may say that, but Scorcese does not. The day I start believing headlines as fact is that the day I stop reading the content. Someone else mentioned City of God? I missed that. Pulp Fiction? Missed that too. I mentioned those other films because they came to mind, and I like them a lot, by which I mean I can watch them multiple times and still be entertained. It is not my fault if other people feel the same way.
I did not realize I was supposed to look for obscure films no other people mentioned in an effort to prove how much of an erudite film watcher I was. How 'bout Key Largo with Edward G. Robinson and Humphrey Bogart, my favorite actor. Or Tsotsi, from South Africa. Brilliant and violent film.
I will admit that my film watching has gone from about 25 films a month to about 5 a month. I prefer to spend what little free time I have playing with my 7 and 4 1/2 year old boys, plus with swimming lessons, karate, soccer, football, cub scouts, homework, my own softball, I will shamefully admit that watching movies takes a back seat. Plus, my Music Reference amp. and Ayre disc player have ratcheted up my music listening. I really like what they do for my music.
Edits: 09/17/10 09/17/10
..I'd never hire you for your lawyerly skills if this is an example of "proof", as you see it.
Question: Which is more "realistic" A Civil Action or At Close Range?
I understand and agree with your priorities with regard to family. Your boys are at a wonderful age.
Congratulations.
Also like your taste in amps. Which Music Reference model do you have? If it's the RM10 you can be my new best friend.
J
This is what you asked me: '"...objective provable fact" in a film, prove it.' It is a provable fact that the opening scene in A Civil Action was contrived. Made up. Whatever you want to call it, it simply does not happen as depicted in the film. That is simply a fact, whether you care to admit it or not. I've proven it. I cannot force you to accept the proof, anymore than I can prove to some people the Government did not blow up the twin towers.
RM-200. I'll get the RM10 when I have room for a second system.
.. you mean "in my experience" then you have..........your argument. You've taken your experience and compared it to a fictional account. That's no broad proof.
Don't you stray. Don't forget how this started. We're talking about film realism. Repeat: which is more realistic (like real life), A Civil Action or At Close Range.
I'll bet there are people who saw Travolta's scene and imagined it to be quite realistic.
The fact is that proof is always relative/contextual. First of all it is personal. That takes us back to our beginning. One man's ......... is another man's ___.
BTW, why would you consider it unfortunate to be in the courtroom practicing law? In my short career as a military defense counsel I relished courtroom action.
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