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• I love this kind of stuff - Analog Scott 08:18:41 07/05/11 (7)
  In Reply to: RE: NPR did a story... posted by R Browne on July 05, 2011 at 07:29:38

  Same sort of thing happened with 2001. Heck back in the day fist fights broke out at the debut of Strvinsky's Rite of Spring Ballet. I just hope this one gets a wide release and becomes a hot topic because of it's deviciveness.
  

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  • I did see it a second time Sunday - Revolver66 09:30:10 07/05/11 (6)
    In Reply to: RE: I love this kind of stuff posted by Analog Scott on July 05, 2011 at 08:18:41

    and yes, it is more linear this time around. However, the middle brother could not have died in combat - the mother received the news from a letter delivered by a postman.
    
    Wouldn't this news be delivered by the military in person?
    
    
    The idea of nature and grace became more apparent with the prehistoric segment - a movie of epoch proportions ; ^ )
    
    I like the idea of the asteroid impacts as sort of cosmological chapters.
    
    May require a third viewing...
    
    
    
    

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    • RE: I did see it a second time Sunday - Analog Scott 21:59:27 07/07/11 (1)
      In Reply to: RE: I did see it a second time Sunday posted by Revolver66 on July 05, 2011 at 09:30:10

      I may have read more into the circumstancen than was warrented. It was my ippression that the telegram delivery was a common way of recieving such news but now that you mention it during vietnam I think such news was delivered in person for the most part. It was the time period and the age of the son and the fact that he was clearly away from home that made me think it was Vietnam. There was also something about that whole thing that felt like it was not such a total surprise. There was no sense of "what happened?" from the neighbors.
      

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      • Good observation. - Revolver66 08:35:31 07/08/11 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: I did see it a second time Sunday posted by Analog Scott on July 07, 2011 at 21:59:27

        There was as a "matter of form" feeling about the neighbors and the news of the death. Hmmm...
        
        Perhaps Malick leaves the cause of death vague because its details here would be needless; death is part of nature we equally share.
        
        The image of the middle son as a soldier fits the idea of him trying to match the "nature" of his father, while the older son feels a need to transcend.
        
        
        
        
        
        

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    • I think they used telegrams in WWII. That's what was depicted. nt - tinear 10:20:33 07/05/11 (3)
      In Reply to: RE: I did see it a second time Sunday posted by Revolver66 on July 05, 2011 at 09:30:10

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      • RE: I think they used telegrams in WWII. That's what was depicted. nt - Revolver66 10:54:57 07/05/11 (2)
        In Reply to: RE: I think they used telegrams in WWII. That's what was depicted. nt posted by tinear on July 05, 2011 at 10:20:33

        That would put the time frame of the family in the 1940s, if he died in battle at age 19.
        
        I'm not convinced - I don't think the audience knows how he dies.
        
        
        
        
        
        

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        • Is it germane to the film? I'd argue not. nt - tinear 11:07:28 07/05/11 (1)
          In Reply to: RE: I think they used telegrams in WWII. That's what was depicted. nt posted by Revolver66 on July 05, 2011 at 10:54:57

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          • Well, there was that "teach em how to fight " scene. - Revolver66 11:46:04 07/05/11 (0)
            In Reply to: RE: Is it germane to the film? I'd argue not. nt posted by tinear on July 05, 2011 at 11:07:28

            Was the son much of a fighter? As with the music lessons, did the son try to live up to certain standards?
            
            Did he go to war to prove something to his father, as one battling the world just like him?
            
            Jack is an opposing force to the father's influence, and is in competion with the father for predominance (along with other Oedipal hints). Sean Penn's character is the sacrament of Reconciliation, ie, conversion, confession and celebration.
            
            We don't know the full extent of the father's influence over the middle child however, but the idea of "fight" and "battle" does play into the film's thematic concerns of nature vs grace.
            
            
            
            

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