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In Reply to: RE: I like his sense of cinematography but agree with you that he is sophomoric posted by Jazz Inmate on July 25, 2011 at 22:47:53
He was there after all and for all of his faults the man has never shied away from tackling the very difficult and important issues facing US society that so many directors could/should have but were either too chicken shit or too engrossed in maxing box office and feeding the beast.
'Natural Born Killers' was something people either loved or hated, I think it struck just a bit too close to home for many and was just too juggled up for most.
J.B.
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... tackle the difficult subjects.
"He was there after all and for all of his faults the man has never shied away from tackling the very difficult and important issues facing US society that so many directors could/should have but were either too chicken shit or too engrossed in maxing box office and feeding the beast."
My problem with Stone is his intellectual hedonism/anarchism. My observation is that he's simply using these difficult subjects to feed his ego, simply by 'yanking' the chain.
After all, isn't that what sophomorism stands for?
I'm not saying that all projects must be ego driven but it is a very important component of the artistic/creative process...yes Stone is personally caught up in his projects, how could a Vietnam Veteran make a film like 'Born On The Fourth Of July' and not invest himself totally within it?He has lived a large part of the modern American Experience, been scarred, uplifted and informed by it so why would that not be part of his art?
BTW, anyone calling BOT4thOJ an ego trip or ego driven is wrong IMO.
One large problem with Stone's style of film making (and it can be off putting, 'Nixon' for instance, was chain yanking on a grand scale IMO) is that there are many folks who have no ability to separate their politics and world view from art and for them he is written off early...most times without having seen the films in question. So if a more politically acceptable director was making these films (with the same content) they would be welcomed by these folks.
J.B.
Edits: 07/26/11
That was about the only Stone movie I could watch repeatedly. Actually, I was a bit surprised at the emotional honesty shown in the movie.
Remember the scene when the mom no longer is proud of her son, when he came home. Remember the scene at the pool room, where Tom Cruise was ranting about his plight, one of the redneck type gave him the cold shoulder and told him to exemplify as a marine.
"I'm not saying that all projects must be ego driven but it is a very important component of the artistic/creative process...yes Stone is personally caught up in his projects, how could a Vietnam Veteran make a film like 'Born On The Fourth Of July' and not invest himself totally within it?
He has lived a large part of the modern American Experience, been scarred, uplifted and informed by it so why would that not be part of his art?"
I agree, my problem is when Stone doesn't show his artist side as seriously as '4th of July' in his other movies, instead he behaves similarly as Michael Moore and Lady Gaga types.
"BTW, anyone calling BOT4thOJ an ego trip or ego driven has questionable critical and observational abilities IMO."
I agree, and I think you missed what I had said about '4th of July' earlier.
Some such subjects guarantee cash flow.
.....call it 'yellow cinematism'!
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