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In Reply to: RE: Promethius questions....MEGA SPOILERS. Don't look if you ain't seen it. posted by Enophile on June 16, 2012 at 15:15:32
1) Who was the guy at the beginning?
He was one of the interplanetary "engineers" who sacrificed himself and DNA to seed the universe with life much the same as them.
2) Why did you think the engineers wanted to kill the humans?
My first instinct is to say they didn't like the results of their "seeding" of Earth. Since the hit team was timed to leave around 2,000 years ago perhaps they were displeased at the Judaeo=Christian religion for giving credit to the wrong people. Where they not of Olympian size and pale to the point of being gray? Maybe our racial diversity upset them. We have no frame of reference of their other work except that there DNA was a perfect match...which poses the question as to why we didn't look like them.
3) But then....who told us about that specific star grouping to put into the ancient paintings/carvings, which obviously took place long after we came to exist?
They apparently came back telling ancients who they were and where they lived. The fact that Idris Elba (Captain) made a rushed statement to explain this was an "engineer" military installation and not their home clouds the issue somewhat. The time of each artifact pointing to their planetary system could have been well before their ultimate displeasure with Earthlings.
4) Then, if we weren't meant to exist, why would Promethius point us toward the planet that was manufacturing our demise rather than the home planet of the engineers?
Didn't they land on the Moon of a large planet because of the similarity of it's surface to Earth's? The "engineers" could have well come from the orb next door/
Remember, there was more than one ship available so there might have been other planets that needed cleansing also.
Note: The Bible speaks of nephilim walking the Earth and consorting with mortal women.
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> ...they were displeased at the Judaeo=Christian religion for giving credit to the wrong people...Maybe our racial diversity upset them.>
Says more about you than the film.
You think being a white Chrisitian you are at the center of the earth but there are more other relgions and more non-whites on the planet.
Maybe they were upset at the Buddhists and the whites for not being grey.
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1. Why Judeo-Christian religion as the impetus for destruction? There were and had been lots of other religions that worshiped the "wrong" gods?
2. Why would the Engineers who seemed fairly adept at life sciences and other advanced technologies opt for such an inelegant means of human destruction as xenomorphs? Some human specific disease like Ebola seems much more practical and it comes in a more convenient package to ship across the universe to boot.
IMO, if one chooses to get analytical about it, Prometheus ends up with tons of holes.
Just my idea about the religion....there were a lot of pot shots taken at Judaeo-Christian belief. Plus, this form of belief was beginning to sweep the "civilized" world.
Ebola wasn't necessarily a disease that could have been transmitted from Africa easily. The Black Plague wasn't around as yet in any form of global threat. The Aliens were like garbage disposals capable of erasing humanity.
Most of those pot shots were taken by David who wasn't even human and was said to have no soul. If you analyze the film in terms of the sole survivor, her faith and the fact that science/evolution were thoroughly trampled by the narrative, it's not hard to watch Prometheus as showing that religion not only has a place in the future but a necessary place.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
David's keeping Shaw's cross in his own utility belt (after having removed it from Shaw prior to his anticipation of cryoing her return to Earth), was a significant oddity.He anticipated both possibilities: 1) Shaw's becoming a vector for the destruction of Earth, having discarded her "Faith"; or 2) her continuing life as one of the Faithful, whose power/(luck?) seems inexhaustible.
That characteristic seems to puzzle artificial persons, almost to the point of envy - they comment on it in most every "Alien" film - iirc.
Like you said: survival might very well be rooted in the gift of love for God (as Faith) - "Man does not live by bread alone".
Edits: 06/19/12
It was very interesting that Shaw's crucifix was removed just in time for her "abortion" scene and there was tons of intense symbolism that explored faith as deeply as the original Alien film explored psychoanalysis of "the other", as symbolized by nonhumans (alien, cat, android) racial differences, gender differences, mother, reproductive organs, etc.But even having seen the film only once (I guarantee I missed 90% of the visual and audio cues--that's how rich it was in the direction and production quality), it's obvious that this was no ordinary sci-fi film where the scientists are portrayed as geniuses and moral saviors. Here the biologist and geologist, and even the paleantologist were portrayed as self-serving, petty idiots who quickly succumbed to the evil they encountered. Shaw, in contrast, was pure in her pursuit of the answer to her question, and she never lost her belief or her focus. Her faith totally carried her.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 06/19/12
Over a millennia of religious warfare, and counting.
"... religious warfare.." not on account of Jesus, but in spite of Him, due to man's defiance and imperfect/confused nature - imo. The sequel(s) may prove me wrong.
There is always hope, for by Faith we may sojourn past pure logic and into Blessing.
That brings around the brutal question, why did I have to pay $16.50 (twice/wince) for IMAX 3D, when others are shelling out $12.50?
I won't blame the Divine... honest.
... That Shaw (for a time) became a vessel to breed the contagion into another manifestation of evil, but was unable to bear children naturally, and chose NOT to carry "it" forward voluntarily is of interest.
The central heros of the Alien series are its strong women, who carry the flame forward. There have been no "female" androids (yet?), and we saw no "female" space jockeys.
Sacrifice when done by the males, is noble - like the Captain's last ditch ramming.
Life perseveres when done for the right reasons, and becomes the gift worthy of living/survival.
I don't discount the holes as indicating a bad story. We're supposedly dealing in realms beyond the ordinary. There have to be holes. Nailed down meanings for every spook and ray gun kills the imagination in a story that requires it. Sci fi is supposed to stretch the incredible so we have to backfill more than usual. That's what a lot of the dialogue below is attempting.
As a film, as opposed to the story, there are many broadsides we can shoot off. But I like the story and all the speculation this "popcorn flick" generates.
So vast are the possibilities that everybody has a different interpretation of what is happening. Like a hundred people tripping on LSD at the same time and everybody sees different things.
Sorry for my digression. I get these flashes of the big mind game (Tim Leary expression).
But getting back.... That's the wonderful thing about science fiction. You get to imagine all these possibilities.
Which brings us to the question: Are the action, script, and effects more important than the story itself? The opening scene really grabbed me because it was like starting at the back end of a book.
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