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Don't know about this one. It seems to have a very mixed message about Lincoln and the Congress debating the 13th Amendment.LDD will probably get his customary Oscar nomination and Steven and maybe a few others but I don't feel the film has that much merit. It is not "movie of the year" but will surely be nominated. Hey, it's LDD AND Spielberg!
LDD gave a very steady and consistent characterization and Fields must have been good because she got on my nerves just like she got on Abe's. The rest were flies around the pie buzzing in and out for their bites and bits.
Not being a history student I can only guess this is close to the reality of the Union at the time. We get the inside skinny on Lincoln's secret negotiations with the Confederacy, his motivation for The Emancipation Proclamation, his logic on pushing the 13th before the end of the war, and the Republicans last minute shift to "equal under the law" rather than "racially equal".
This film could easily offend black people with its emotional rants and language and is tedious to sit through due to its length. Spielberg knows how to pull tawdry emotion and does it with soap opera regularity in this one.
Well, they are off to the Oskies but my ballot won't include them due to the mixed bag of emotional tricks.
PS. This was obviously timed for an after the election release. A lot of people might have confused today's republicans for Civil War republicans.
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...excellent film.
DDL a shoe-in for the Oscar.
The little weasil who was the Confederate VP reminded me of you.
involved in the 13 Amendment's passage.
Lincoln, of course, is central, but it ain't no Henry Fonda portrayal.
...but only focusing on a few important months during his presidency toward the end of the Civil War.
...Doris Kearns Goodwin's history book, "Team of Rivals" so I would expect it to be fairly accurate.
I doubt it would offend black people as much as your rants on Outside.
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It is conspicuously absent from two multiplexes in our area while the rest opened it this Friday.
The word gets out in the community and if it's a touchy thing folks won't go.
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I jumped around to read the best parts for me including the war and the assasination. It's a big thick book and takes as long to read as Tolkiens trilogy (I'm not making any comparisons ---just on the heft of all that paper).
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Pleez... Give me a break
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Did he cast any kids?
I thought his youngest died driving Mary T. to the nut house. Tad made it all the way in the way.
so long in vain.
but you will learn through this teaching tool that nobody in the North wanted to say, "there goes the neighborhood".
This is why this is a mixed message movie. It shows the hypocrisy of the North which is no less nasty than the South's outright attitude.
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Stop the bloodshed. Preserve the Union. End the institution of slavery. Address the subject of the enslaved. It all becomes clear when you see the film which spells it out. You will see if the war ended before the 13th Amendment passed it may never have passed in that time frame. Yankees don't have a lot to be proud of as you will see.
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but the Republican party was then, like now, of two minds. The economic conservatives counted the money, figured the war would be drawn out, and so wanted a truce with the South. They were repreesnted by McClellan when he challenged Lincoln in a primary. The religious right of the Republican party, which receives so much vitriol today, saw slavery as a sin, and felt it had no business in the United States. The ultimate example was John Brown. They eventually won out, Lincoln is re-elected, and slavery ended.
As an aside, it always seemed odd to me that many southerners were very christian, and yet they supported slavery, even if they did not own slaves. I'm always drawn back to the query whether Jesus approved of slavery. I am pretty sure he would not, and despite my perusing the magazine Conferderate Veteran at my local library, which actually has a column written by a pastor, he never really explains what Jesus would say about slavery, which I think is instructive, but still makes me wonder how they were able to rectify the teachings of Jesus with their support for slavery. But since they ain't explaining, I'm left to wonder.
Never fear, though. The South got their bone with the end of Reconstruction.
does Lincoln get killed at the end?
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