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it's even worse than that because the underlying message was that Hollywood saved the hostages

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Jazz Inmate

In Reply to: RE: My exact feelings. Over the f'n top Hollywood BS.^ posted by Road Warrior on January 06, 2013 at 20:21:43

Notice how all the state department and CIA strategies were no good. It took a couple of movie bigshots to save the day. Self-indulgent hollywood trash.
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It was the CIA guys idea. And that was the real idea. nt - sjb 12:13:09 01/07/13 (7)
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Stupidity is NOT a victimless crime.
- http://www.wired.com/magazine/2007/04/feat_cia/2/ (Open in New Window)
- It wasn't the officers' ideas, which were cast as idiotic - Jazz Inmate 12:40:12 01/07/13 (6)
  The film showed the brass recommending other covers, agricultural, educational, etc. Had those approaches been chosen and resulted in a successful operation, do you really think this movie would have been made? It was clearly a Hollywood movie about how great Hollywood is so that Hollywood producers could pat themselves on the back.
  
  Where would the CIA be without hollywood. yeesh.
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  - It showed State Department guys having those ideas - sjb 20:33:06 01/07/13 (5)
    and the CIA guy having the movie idea and an operative in the movie biz that helped make it happen.
    
    Those really were the other ideas... it's all in the article I linked to in my previous post.
    
    Stupidity is NOT a victimless crime.
    - It was the low-level CIA agent who came up with the idea - Jazz Inmate 20:29:21 01/08/13 (4)
      The point, Steve, is that the only reason the movie was made was so Hollywood assholes could cast themselves as the heroes. If you think this film would have been made had the hostages been saved using the agriculture or education ruse, think again.
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      - No. The film was made because it was a film about a fictitious film. A very interesting idea, given all the - tinear 08:13:38 01/09/13 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: It was the low-level CIA agent who came up with the idea posted by Jazz Inmate on January 08, 2013 at 20:29:21
        
        facts.
        What really bothered you about it?
        
        Not a fictitious film; real hollywood types, production company, storyboards... - Jazz Inmate 09:59:13 01/09/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No. The film was made because it was a film about a fictitious film. A very interesting idea, given all the posted by tinear on January 09, 2013 at 08:13:38
        
        ...this is what saved all those lives. Not the CIA. All hail the great Hollywood.
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      - We must have seen different movies then - sjb 22:37:58 01/08/13 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: It was the low-level CIA agent who came up with the idea posted by Jazz Inmate on January 08, 2013 at 20:29:21
        
        because in the movie I saw the State Department guys threw out those ideas and the CIA guys (and the hostages themselves) were the hero's) along with a CIA guy in Hollywood and then, yes, a single - actual - hollywood producer.
        
        Stupidity is NOT a victimless crime.
        
        we saw the same movie; you're just not acknowledging its pure celebration of hollywood's godlike power - Jazz Inmate 09:57:47 01/09/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: We must have seen different movies then posted by sjb on January 08, 2013 at 22:37:58
        
        The white house, state dept and Affleck's superior (played by Bryan Cranston) and others at the CIA who you clearly forgot about all told Affleck to not proceed with the Hollywood cover--that another cover was preferred. Briefly Affleck bullied Cranston and a few others to go along with his hollywood plan, but after the plug was pulled he DEFIED THEM ALL. And gee it's such a great thing he did because if not for the Hollywood angle, those hostages would surely have died. No other cover would have ever worked, right? If one had, would there be a movie about it? Of course not. Plenty of declassified CIA missions have been successful, amazing stories that saved lives, but Hollywood is making a movie about this one for self-serving reasons.
        
        Affleck is the human embodiment of the public's love of Hollywood. And he had to to play the CIA guy who pushed the Hollywood cover, because we don't want any audience to see this character in any negative way, Now let's look at who played the characters in positions of authority. Yuck. Except for Cranston, who came around and did Affleck's bidding. It was annoyingly unsympathetic to the authorities in DC and Arlington, whereas the Hollywood good ol boys played by Goodman and Arkin were the witty intellectuals of the film who ultimately saved the day. After all, it was the storyboards, production company office and their ability to pick up the phone that saved all those lives.
        
        Hurray for Hollywood! savior of all that's evil in the world.
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