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In Reply to: RE: Tin-bo, "Withnail" is one of the most over-rated pieces of dreck ever . . . posted by Billy Wonka on July 10, 2014 at 10:27:16
said, foreign films have far outstripped American offerings for the past what, 20 years, as American producers have decided that Fx is art, in itself. Budgets are blown on infantile story lines that bore intelligent 8 year olds. These films are helmed by hacks, portrayed by third-rate acting talents. For every "Shotgun Stories" or "Winter's Bone," there are seventy or more pieces of crap.
Actually, you have reverse snobbism, bordering on xenophobia. Critics are snobs. The masses are the true arbiters of art.
"Withnal and I" is a brilliant comedy on many, many levels and produced two stars because of its lasting influence. It just may be the funniest portrayal of male adults coping with the lunacy that was 1969.
Rottentomatoes has it @ 94% critics, 93% audience.
It appears you are in a very, very small minority.
Regarding 22: it was littered with over-the-top gay references, extremely gay male "bonding" behavior. NO other film I can think of is similar, as I stated.
Remove the "love" interest, and it is an American "La Cage aux Folles."
You've never been married, right? I mean, since we're throwing around insinuations?
Oh, if you google, you'll find many, many hits about the gayness of the film--- I picked this ditty randomly:
"Using their influence to override normally gay-wary studio execs, the team has kicked the brom-com — that recent phenomenon in broad comedy popularized by Seth Rogen, James Franco, et al. — into the overtly homoerotic. The result is brilliant, heroic and somewhat subversive; the filmmakers are tickling and trashing the American performativity of masculinity, which I recently railed against with regard to Elliot Rodger and what really pushed him to mass murder. But their impact is worth ten thousand pseudo-intellectual essays on social psychology. Joy."
purefilmcreative.com
Edits: 07/10/14 07/10/14Follow Ups:
I love foreign cinema and watch it over any other category at home, usually. I particularly like Brit humor and drama but "Withnail" was just not my cup'o tea. I have serious problems with Richard Grant as well.
As for Rotten Tomatoes, remember Joe Six-pack, Joe White Wine, and Joe Doobie are the main participants in their rating system for audiences. I usually disregard that part of the Tomatoe unless a film appears on the horizon I've never heard of.
"22" was not about being gay. Tatum's defense of anti-gay language in one brief segment was still funny when he stated you can only call a gay friend "queer" if he doesn't really mind it. The target audience was not you or me (Capt Obvious) but people two and three generations beyond us. They don't see the world as we do and this film is part of the social engineering being exerted on society. Nevertheless, I thought it was very funny.
isn't terribly accurate in audience. I vastly more often agree with critics. If both do, it's almost infallible, in my experience.
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