Films/DVD Asylum

That might be true but

174.236.231.188

geoffkait

In Reply to: RE: Not quite so posted by Victor Khomenko on December 29, 2014 at 13:40:51

This was the new Unbreakable Enigma, not the older one. It's a whole new ball game. If the Poles were so great why couldn't they crack the new Enigma? Because they couldn't. The Poles had a much or more to loose than the Brits so obviously they must have been trying.

Follow Ups:

That is all well documented - Victor Khomenko 14:19:18 12/29/14 (5)
The basic principle of the Enigma has not changes, there were extra layers added (extra wheels and the programming board), dramatically increasing the complexity. At some point it simply exceeded the capabilities of the Polish specialists and their equipment, plus they were under the occupation.

Point is - the Turing's contribution was based on previous work, so it is right to give the credit where it is due. Like the Apollo flight could not have happened without the Mercury, most technical breakthroughs rely on achievements of others.

In addition, while the Enigma work rightly took plenty of limelight, I am not sure it was his main contribution to science - the computing machines might be that.
- The theory of relativity was built somewhat on what others had done before, nevertheless... - geoffkait 14:41:29 12/29/14 (4)
  No one is arguing that his enigma work was his main contribution to science. It stopped the war and probably saved millions of lives. Forget science. By the way the movie was very clear about the contribution of the Poles. Recall that was the big expenditure, for 300 new Polish machines. That is also documented.
  - " It stopped the war" Avoid gross overstatements. - Victor Khomenko 15:06:13 12/29/14 (3)
    It certainly made the contribution, but it was the toil of the soldiers that really stopped the war.
    - MI6 doled out intelligence according to the statistical probabilities to avoid Nazi suspicion. - geoffkait 16:25:22 12/29/14 (2)
      I think you might have missed the whole point of the movie. And of the significance of breaking Enigma. In the movie MI6 agrees to keep the whole thing secret and not tip their hand. That's why it took so long, two years or whatever, for the war to end. But it was the big battles like Normandy that we won due to the intelligence gotten from cracking Enigma. But others battles we lost because MI6 did not provide intelligence for all battles, only a statistical sampling worked out by, guess who? Turning.
      - I have not seen the movie, and don't have any particular desire - Victor Khomenko 19:53:36 12/29/14 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: MI6 doled out intelligence according to the statistical probabilities to avoid Nazi suspicion. posted by geoffkait on December 29, 2014 at 16:25:22
        
        Two awful awful actors, and the Hollywood production... gee... thanks!
        
        RE: I have not seen the movie, and don't have any particular desire - geoffkait 03:56:18 12/30/14 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I have not seen the movie, and don't have any particular desire posted by Victor Khomenko on December 29, 2014 at 19:53:36
        
        Yeah, I hear ya, but I'm not arguing the merits of the movie....

Post a Followup:

FAQ

Post a Message!

Forgot Password?

Moniker (Username):
Password (Optional):
	Remember my Moniker & Password (What's this?) Eat Me
E-Mail (Optional):
Subject:

Message:	(Posts are subject to Content Rules)

Optional Link URL:
Optional Link Title:
Optional Image URL:
Upload Image:
E-mail Replies:	Automagically notify you when someone responds.

To view your new posting or follow-up, click on the RELOAD or REFRESH button on your browser.

This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:

Sonic Craft