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In Reply to: RE: 'Going Clear' on HBO: posted by Prisoners on April 06, 2015 at 07:24:28
I have been curious about Scientology for years...I thought The Master did not really explain it, other than some insight into Hubbard...
This was extremely well made, engrossing from start to finish and really pulled the back curtain on Scientology...it was much worse than I imagined...really blew me away...
The rallies that they showed Tom Cruise at were just unbelievable...I kind of watched all a gasp as it unfolded...Cruise's ego burst through the roof of that 20,000+ seat arena...
From the military type uniforms, to saluting Hubbard's picture and giving Cruise some made up award of valor and service...very Neo-Nazi like...it was actually very disturbing to me...
David Miscavige is their supreme leader with this TV preacher persona, phony pleasant disposition, crazy ass look in his eyes and an ego equal to Cruise's...with major Napoleon syndrome...he would make a great Bond Villain...really really creepy...
The second half of the tittle of this movie is "the Prison of Belief". That pretty much sums it up.
In Scientology terms, I would be a SP, (Suppressive Person) and PT, (Potential Threat); you would need to "Disconnect" from me...
I am guessing they may lose their Tax Except status in the next few years, because of this film.
This gets 4.5 out of 5 stars...really good documentary film...
I have to run now and go get Audited, so I can purge all those Alien Souls trapped in my body...it is getting crowed in here...
Thanks
Mark
Check out the link...they are going to make these people pay who left Scientology and took part in this film...
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Agreed Mark-
"The Master" does indeed show how a cult leader is "born".
I've seen it Creepy isn't the word!
-- Forget Gambino,Capone,etc --they just killed bodies--Hubbard had killed more
minds than any of them
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We were talking about this at Easter dinner yesterday with my siblings, nieces and nephews...one of my sisters read, that Katie Holmes HAD to leave Cruise before Suri turned 5. At age 5 the Scientology "training" begins and they get "shared" custody of the child...Katie said, not my kid and not on my watch...
The early interviews with Travolta are VERY telling...his success started with his joining Scientology...they basically took credit for all the good things happening to him...he guzzled that Kool-Aid...(yes, that is a pun)
Paul Haggis was genuinely embarrassed about his involvement. He has 2 gay daughters and was told he would have to "disconnect", (disown), them...Scientology does not like homosexuals, bad for business...
The other major component of this tale is the $MONEY$...they are relentless on pursuing you to keep giving more and more and more...they are over a billion dollar entity, paying NO taxes...
For lack of a better term, this is a religious Ponzi scheme...they never really reveal what it is all about, until you pay enough money in, climb their ladder of levels, (there are 8 levels and it takes years to achieve depending how much $$$ you have donated), and you have done enough auditing, (confession), that they have so much dirt on you...you cannot leave, fear of exposure and blackmail...keeping things cryptic, with a slow reveal of their beliefs and tenants, is actually quite brilliant in a twisted mind control kind of way...Hubbard built this thing in layers for his own plausible deniability...which Scientology has wrapped itself in...
Thanks
Mark
A buddy's brainiac (somewhat attractive) sister dropped in for the holidays. I was told she had "something to do" with Scientology and they thought she had become a millionaire. She wouldn'T tell them what she did but she did splash some maor cash. My buddy thought it was some sort of pyramid scheme. In the 80's I had no info or interest in Scientology.
I remember in the early to mid 70's his books being advertised on TV. My Mother was a avid reader, I remember when she was reading one of his books. I asked her what it was about, she said "I don't really know, kind of a self-help book"...
I had taped this and watched it again last night...their surveillance antics are truly disturbing...Marty Rathbun having his house watched for the last 5 years is just creepy crazy, (by Scientology renting the house across the street!!??!!), is something I do not know if could handle...
Rathbun's wife is suing David Miscavige personally, her never being a member of the "church", does not feed their 1st amendment defense...this could get interesting...
Thanks
Mark
Yeah that caught my interest enough to buy the book. I was in high school then and tried to read it but couldn't understand it....so I put it away and thought that I wasn't yet educated enough to comprehend what was written. A few years later I tried it again....and came to the conclusion that it's nonsense.
"Did you read that book I gave you?!?... Di...Di...Diuretics?"
Can't wait to see "going Clear' - friends were telling us about
it over dinner the othet night.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
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...and with what they have on Cruise and Travolta's personal lives and gay leanings through all the years of auditing, Scientology is like the Hotel California.
"You can check out, but you can never leave."
Yeah, I thought that exact same thing with Travolta and Cruise...video recording in the Confessional...Pope Frank would never allow that...
thanks
Mark
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