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No doubt they are the finest of the lot. And while they are quite a bit better than the best Panasonics, I wouldn't say they are significantly better.
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Is that significant at the .05 or .01 level, assuming a normal distribution? If you can reliably see the difference, I'd say it is significant.
db
You say the Pioneer is not significantly better than Panasonic. That means it is insignificantly better, that to the extent it is better, it is so minor as to make no real difference. But you also say it is quite a bit better than the Panasonic, which I would take to mean that it IS significantly better. So I'm a bit confused. Maybe you are talking about two different aspects or simply use the word "significantly" different from the way I do. You may mean major difference by significant difference.
Joe
I should have used major instead.
…is easy to define, at least for me. If the difference is insignificant I can say "It's better but I'm happy with what I've got". If it's a significant difference then I can still say "It's better" but the follow up is either "I'll take one" or, in the worst case scenario (ie I can't afford it) "I'd really love one of those".
Significance is simply related to level of desire :-)
David Aiken
In science the term "significant difference" has a real meaning, If there is no significant difference between two things, then you can't distinguish between them reliably. I'm being much too picky in this instance, though I really was wondering how obvious the difference was between the sets. Of course, in the end, there is no substitute for seeing them myself.
Joe
Sorry for the delay in response since I've just gotten home from hospital a few days ago and it's taken me until now to notice your reply.
I do understand significance in the scientific context and I've actually done research for a post graduate qualification in which I had to rely on that sort of significance extensively, but I think in the context of this sort of discussion it still comes back to how desirable we find the change.
Let's say there is an objectively measurable difference that can be verified and replicated with instruments, in other words we can reliably distinguish between the two by measurement. Will you find the difference "significant"? Let's say the difference is a greater contrast range so you get better black levels, or the colour parameters are more precisely matched to the standard, and the measurements show this. The fact that the differences are measurable and repeatable does not mean that you will necessarily prefer the one that measures better or that you will be able to discern a difference and, even if you do discern a difference that won't mean that you will think that the difference is big enough to justify the expenditure of upgrading your present screen to the better model.
Significance in the scientific sense certainly tells us something important, but that something is often not what we're really interested in when it comes to comparing components and making decisions about enjoyability of use and whether or not to spend the cash.
David Aiken
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For many who will want a large plasma display, already sitting in their home is probably a 50" plasma. Going to 60", unless there are size/weight limitations involved, just doesn't seem like it's "enough". I suspect many will be torn between the new 60" Pioneers and the 65" Panasonic.
I already have a 60" SXRD in my living room, but my family room is considerably larger, and 60" isn't enough. I'ld like my next set to be plasma, but its going to have to be 65" or 70", since the 70" SXRDs are too bulky, and FP isn't really practical for me.
Jack
Panasonic has a 103" plasma, so that should be on your short list.
:-)
Word has it that Pioneer may offer a 70" plasma for 2008. Panasonic has a 65" now, so it's a flip of the coin as to whether they'll meet Pioneer's 70" or offer something just a wee bit larger. LG has a 7x" model that's available now, if I remember correctly. It's not priced anywhere near Panasonic or even Pioneer (way higher than these).
Late 2008, Panasonic, Pioneer and Hitachi will be tempting everyone with a new technology for their plasmas called "10 lumen tech". Based on what I've read, it will make even the new Kuro's look like "economy" plasmas. I believe SED really got the plasma manufacturers worried enough to get things moving and moving fast. Facing LCD price decreases and SED quality increases, there was no option. The new tech also decreases wattage needs by a serious amount as well.
103 is definitely too big for me. I've considered the panny 65" that's a good size for my family room. I'm probably going to wait untill next year, to see whats new, and what is coming out in the 65-70" range.
Jack
In the plasma section at AVS Forum, someone posted that Pioneer will actually go out to 75" in 2008. Sounds great, but in the same thread 85" was mentioned for Panasonic and Hitachi next year. Installation will definitely not be a one-person job!
Pretty significant if you ask me.
45% is only "significant".
:-)
If you move up from 50" to 60", your guests will say " Hey, did you get a bigger plasma? ".
If you move up from 50" to 65", your guests will say " Holy shit! You got a bigger plasma! ".
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