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In Reply to: RE: And so, it begins... posted by Jack G on October 03, 2007 at 05:10:41
These guys must be idiots. With upsampled DVD as good as it is, I really can't see any reason to buy a HD player right now. A clear message has just been sent. Two competing formats and now changes to an existing format that is not fully backward compatible. My remaining temptations were just removed.
Joe
Follow Ups:
I adopted into DVD players as soon as they hit this smallish town (I literally went from store to store until I found one that sold them). My first player was a DVP-3000 or something. There was only one rental stoe in town that had DVD's at the time, and not many at that. Up here in Canada it cost me about $900 (still have it in the bedroom).
Same for a DVD recorder instead of a VCR in my main room. Paid $650 as it was a new thing. Even that one gets me a bit with the +'s and -'s, but it's only for time shifting.
As for the new players, I'll likely wait it out. The last thing I want is to buy a new player, perhaps a few discs, and then Blockbuster stops renting the discs. Then I'm stuck with a piece of garbage.
but industry is trying to pretend to be ready for mass-market.
OTOH, if you've gotten used to watching Dishnetwork/DirectTV/Cable/OTA HD broadcasts on a fairly large screen, chances are pretty good you are going to get the itch to upgrade to real (not upsampled to) HD.
But upsampled DVD on my Oppo DVD player looks extremely good. In fact, it is as about as good with a good DVD as the average HD program that comes over Dishnetwork, though of course not as good as the best HD programming. I feel no pain watching "ordinary" DVDs at all. I have nothing against being an early adopter if there is a compelling case. I bought the first CD player, the Sony CDP-101, and certainly got my money's worth out of it.
Joe
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Its butt ugly, puts out alot of heat, has a noisy fan, doesn't have analog out, requires alot of space...
If blu-ray is nothing more than the media for the PS3, then it is destined to be niche format. Even Blu-ray insiders have (begrudgingly) acknowledged they need more than just the PS3 to survive.
Jack
...PS3 has shit for games. It's a game console , where *are* the quality games?
-Tom §.
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I regretted my decision, but I couldn't bring myself to return it. I figured I'd get an aftermarket fan kit to install.Seven months later of near daily use--BDs, DVDs, games--we're talking several hours many times per week and the thing has never had so much as a hiccup. Survived without overheating the entire summer. I keep it on my bottom shelf, which is glass. Not exactly the best ventilation down there. Never did get that aftermarket fan.
The Sony bashers love to talk about the PS3 overheating, but the fact is that the failure rate is phenomenally low and pretty much a nonissue. The thing is well designed and well built. There's no denying that. The cell processor is a great chip. The parts used add up to hundreds of dollars greater cost than you pay for the thing. And if you keep it in your closet that's perfect. You won't hear the fan noise.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
He must have heard "I got an Xbox 360.", not "I got a PS3.".
:-)
I don't know how anyone can survive without it. It's a complete steal for what you get, the looks issue is subjective but if you don't like it, put it on its side in an inconspicuous area. You're supposed to look at the screen, not the player. The fan is far less distracting than the fans on my PC and PS Audio Premier. Only one area (lower right) gets hot.
On the one hand you seem to be saying blu-ray is a niche format for PS3, on the other you seem to be saying that blu-ray is driving sales of other players. Whatever it is, studios and early adopters are sure on board.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Any of those things I've listed can be deal killers for some people.> > > On the one hand you seem to be saying blu-ray is a niche format for PS3 < < <
It is in danger of becoming that.> > > on the other you seem to be saying that blu-ray is driving sales of other players < < <
I don't remember saying that.> > > Whatever it is, studios and early adopters are sure on board < < <
Especially Paramount and Dreamworks.Jack
Just about any of those are killers for me buying one. I have nothing against being an early adopter, but this situation is not compelling me. I think I'd rather have an iPhione if I'm spending that kind of money.
Joe
There is a better iPhone coming soon. There is no better PS3 coming soon...just ones with bigger (and a smaller rumored) hard drive. The PS3 gets regular firmware updates and is always on the network to make that process relatively painless. You admit you like pristine 1080 video and that you can see its advantages over upsampled DVD...the fact is that you're ripe to adopt blu-ray.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
There will be that many more folks that jump on it regardless of what the price goes down to on standalone players. Time will tell but I do feel confident about that.
Blu-Ray fans keep saying lower price doesn't count!
LOW PRICE=CHEAP!!!
LOW PRICE=BAD!!!
BLU-RAY=EXPENSIVE!!!
EXPENSIVE=GOOD!!!
:-)
Jack
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
A couple of hints here and there concerning CE manufacturers. Unfortunately I don't recall who (Sharp ? Panasonic ?). I'll believe it when it happens.
Just a personal bias I guess. I also didn't like the non-flat surface; I typically put discs/cases etc... on top of the player. Oh yeah, biggest hiccough: no 5.1 analog output. Other than that, I agree it was a dang good Blu-ray player.
I suppose what Jack listed are issues but not the fact that it is a game console per se.
Heck, some folks bought an SACD player and hardly any software thereafter. Doesn't mean it cannot do something else well (ie. CD) and that is the priority!
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I think some were announced at CEDIA but haven't had a chance to get the scoop.edit: And this isn't an issue at all outside the very niche market of audiophools like us. Most are perfectly happy with DD audio, which is why it's included on every blu-ray.
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"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
for multichannel analog audio volume control. I'm hoping instead that a suitable High-end Hi-def player with "audiophile-grade" DACs and SOTA audio processing/decoding will appear instead.
Sony 9000ES that had DVD playback capability and MSRP $1299 or thereabouts, the PS3 is dirt cheap for all it can/will do!!
I remember paying $24.99 for all SACD titles at this stage of the game in SACD rollout. Most Blu-rays are about two solid hours of hi res entertainment, often for $19.99...heck, The Last Waltz BD sounded almost as good as some SACDs, plus you have the film-like video experience through Scorcese's lens.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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