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In Reply to: RE: SONY PS3 sold 392,519 units last week in the world, total is now 7,132,808 players posted by Ole Lund Christensen on December 13, 2007 at 00:29:54
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So true. To use PS3 as a model to show how Blue ray is beating up HD DVD is silly considering the fact that the vast majority of households who buy a PS3 are doing so for its primary purpose: VIDEO GAMES!
How about you show us some marketing research that shows the sales of blue ray vs. HD DVD and leave the PS3 out of the equation.
Or... if the PS3 is the only way blue ray sales look good when compared to HD DVD... play fair and include Xbox 360 sales in the figures. After all the Xbox 360 can play HD DVD with the same competency that the PS3 plays blue ray...
How about you show us some marketing research that shows the sales of blue ray vs. HD DVD and leave the PS3 out of the equation.All you have to do is look at the pro-HD DVD sites to get your information. When players sold is the criteria, these sites eliminate the PS3 from the totals. When attach rate is the criteria, they include the PS3. It's heads-I-win, tails-you-lose when these sites comment on the PS3.
"After all the Xbox 360 can play HD DVD with the same competency that the PS3 plays blue ray..."
See my response below:
because you can't quantify what percentage of PS3s are being used to play Blu-ray movies. The attach rates for Standalone players are probably higher than for PS3s but that's just a guestimate/reasonable supposition.
Really, the only thing you can point to is Software sales. Warner's has alluded that Standalone player quantities are important but it would be hard to ignore software sales as well. I wonder if there isn't a big difference in HD DVD attach rates for $98 Toshiba A2s being used as upconverting DVD players and the more expensive HD DVD players ?
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Don't forget about rentals. Blockbuster is Blu-ray exclusive.
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The PS3 is making a huge impact. Even if only a small fraction of them are used for Blu-ray movies, it's still a significant number compared to the HD DVD standalone players. I came close to buying one myself, but not to play games.
The proof is in the Software sales. Blu-ray won last week 74:26, This week is HD DVD's last, best chance to win the weekly software sales rankings to avoid a 52:0 shutout in HD media software sales (Re: Bourne Ultimatum).
Warner does not care about how you play them, as long as you buy them.
HD DVD keep on losing market share in movies. USA was the last hope in the world, and with 74 versus 26 last week, that hope is gone. Toshiba knows this better than many posters here. So it is now a question of how Toshiba can stop HD DVD production, while saving face, a very important tradition in Japan.
The last official numbers (week ending 12/2) were 58:42. Try to keep up. That's quite a jump up from 74:26 the week before. Perhaps its the A2/A3 sales. If you look at the titles selling, many have been around for a while, implying that new customers are buying movies.
enjoy,
Jack
I had 74:26 incorrect; that was the number 2/3/4 weeks ago (I forget). Week ending 12/9/07 was 76:24 with POTC3 and Superbad (Blu-ray) vs. BattleStar Galactica (HD DVD) (hardly fair).
This week will be more interesting. Bourne Ultimatum should be big for HD DVD, Legend of Zorro, Lost for Blu-ray. And Harry Potter on both formats (HD DVD got a break; some of the Blu-ray box sets had both Blu-ray and HD DVD discs in them (!) - big whoops for Warners).
Numbers keep fluctuating based on popularity of new releases, Blu-ray is staying ahead but the recent weeks have suggested to me HD DVD has picked it up a bit (except for last week).
60% Blu, 40% HD.
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But, since only the studios know the real numbers, its probably the best we have.
Jack
... compared to BB, CC, et al. Last time I checked, the cheapest HD DVD player ($298) was only $90 less than the Sony player; both well above the pricepoints of your typical Wallyworld riffraff. HD media was also consistently in the $30 price range behind locked cabinets.
You may be right. OTOH, I saw a Walmart ad for The Borne Ultimatum HD DVD last Monday. I was surprised. I have no idea what they charged for it.
I don't know how much high def they sell there, but a few months ago, it was basically none. Its possible people will get players when they get cheapo HDTVs. I do think the HD business is starting to pick up there.
Jack
I do keep up, the numbers do go up and down, but look out for
Pirates, they stole last week:-) 160,000 is a new high on Blu Ray.
- http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disney/Disc_Sales/Report:_Pirates_Blu-ray_Sales_Top_160k_Units/1260 (Open in New Window)
They said they *moved* (as in shipped) 160,000, whereas they said spiderman3 *sold* 130,000 in 6 days. Gotta love the BDA and their semantics.
I opted not to buy either BTW.
Jack
have gone up significantly, though it could have been how successful the movies well.
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