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• Does this include PS3 and Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on? - TK421 18:50:18 12/16/07 (4)
  In Reply to: RE: Standalone player sales : HD DVD is slaughtering Blu-ray 62% to 37% ..... posted by ZS KEKL on December 16, 2007 at 12:40:09

  Interesting numbers on the stand alone units. But, are there numbers out there that show total market penetration including the PS3 and Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on?
  
  

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  • Standalone...capice? - Jazz Inmate 19:10:07 12/16/07 (3)
    In Reply to: RE: Does this include PS3 and Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on? posted by TK421 on December 16, 2007 at 18:50:18

    You ever wonder if everyone buying an HD DVD player even knows HD DVD is a separate format from DVD?
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    • It's "capisce", not "capice" - TK421 10:48:03 12/17/07 (1)
      In Reply to: RE: Standalone...capice? posted by Jazz Inmate on December 16, 2007 at 19:10:07

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      • you are wasting your time, as well as correct. He cannot amdit a mistake. - Duilawyer 12:35:44 12/17/07 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: It's "capisce", not "capice" posted by TK421 on December 17, 2007 at 10:48:03

        Ever.
        
        

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    • Heck... there are people buying Blu-rays to go with their brand new HD DVD players.... - oscar 09:08:46 12/17/07 (0)
      In Reply to: RE: Standalone...capice? posted by Jazz Inmate on December 16, 2007 at 19:10:07

      A rude shock for quite a few when they try to play the Blu-ray disc in the HD DVD player, I might imagine. Ditto with the Blu-ray player and HD DVD disks.
      
      

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• The article you link says the opposite of what you say it does. It says Blu - Duilawyer 17:42:41 12/16/07 (3)
  In Reply to: RE: Standalone player sales : HD DVD is slaughtering Blu-ray 62% to 37% ..... posted by ZS KEKL on December 16, 2007 at 12:40:09

  Ray is dominating sales.
  
  

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  • It says Sony is dominating Blu-ray sales and the Blu-ray competition is trying to hit back... - oscar 18:24:32 12/16/07 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: The article you link says the opposite of what you say it does. It says Blu posted by Duilawyer on December 16, 2007 at 17:42:41

    HD DVD Standalones might just have a 62:37 edge (for that week ?!) over Blu-ray, but that so far hasn't translated into a software sales edge (I suspect the uncounted PS3 game consoles are having a significant impact regarding Blu-ray's continued edge in software sales).
    
    At least with Blu-ray, there IS competition between Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, etc.... In contrast, Toshiba probably has 99+% of HD DVD player sales. How this can be considered healthy for the HD DVD CE market remains to be seen.
    
    
    
    

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  • you might want to have another look* - jaiva 17:52:27 12/16/07 (1)
    In Reply to: RE: The article you link says the opposite of what you say it does. It says Blu posted by Duilawyer on December 16, 2007 at 17:42:41

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    • they edited the page-it was about 2.7 million Blu-Ray players - Duilawyer 18:22:09 12/16/07 (0)
      In Reply to: RE: you might want to have another look* posted by jaiva on December 16, 2007 at 17:52:27

      in BluRay and about 750M stand alone, WITH NO numbers for stand alone sales of HD. Now it does say what he said, and I do not believe it. Bad link?
      
      

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• And in Japan, the ratio is even greater for standalone High Def recorders at about 80% to 20% - jaiva 16:45:27 12/16/07 (6)
  In Reply to: RE: Standalone player sales : HD DVD is slaughtering Blu-ray 62% to 37% ..... posted by ZS KEKL on December 16, 2007 at 12:40:09

  and with Hi-Def now accounting for 20% of total DVD recorder sales and rapidly rising,it appears the format war has already been won in Japan.
  

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  • I'm curious how big an impact the HD recorder market has on the HD movie format war ? - oscar 17:55:31 12/16/07 (5)
    In Reply to: RE: And in Japan, the ratio is even greater for standalone High Def recorders at about 80% to 20% posted by jaiva on December 16, 2007 at 16:45:27

    Is there really a significant correlation between the relative success of HD recorder sales and HD media players/software sales ? Do the studios really care at all about the success of HD recorders when choosing whether or not to publish movies on Blu-ray or HD DVD ?
    
    If anything, I'd think the Blu-ray-exclusive studios are fairly ambivalent about the "success" of Blu-ray burners in the market because of the increased "copyiability" of Blu-ray movies.
    
    

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    • good question - jaiva 18:24:55 12/16/07 (4)
      In Reply to: RE: I'm curious how big an impact the HD recorder market has on the HD movie format war ? posted by oscar on December 16, 2007 at 17:55:31

      but as the recorder also doubles as a player, what impact they have on software sales/rentals will be mainly determined, I would think, by how big the overall market is for player/recorders.
      

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      • Oh yeah, I forgot about the Blu-ray burner also being a player... - oscar 18:37:09 12/16/07 (3)
        In Reply to: RE: good question posted by jaiva on December 16, 2007 at 18:24:55

        I guess Toshiba being "not very competent" in the Recorder business has led to the inability of HD DVD recording to keep up with Blu-ray's progress in the HD recorder market. Blu-rays' greater storage capacity gives it a big edge in the the computer storage market, at least over HD DVD. I don't know about it's impact on storage requirements for computers in general because of other storage media technology (hard drives, memory sticks, etc...)
        
        

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        • RE: Oh yeah, I forgot about the Blu-ray burner also being a player... - racerguy 18:15:01 12/17/07 (0)
          In Reply to: RE: Oh yeah, I forgot about the Blu-ray burner also being a player... posted by oscar on December 16, 2007 at 18:37:09

          > > Blu-rays' greater storage capacity gives it a big edge in the the computer storage market, at least over HD DVD. I don't know about it's impact on storage requirements for computers in general < <

          Neither Blu-ray nor HD DVD has any impact at all outside of the "consumer" computer market, and probably never will. Within the "consumer" computer market, the drive attach rate for both technologies is so low right now that it's almost unmeasurable.
          
          

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        • Let's not forget that this is also a huge deal with gaming - Jazz Inmate 15:15:41 12/17/07 (1)
          In Reply to: RE: Oh yeah, I forgot about the Blu-ray burner also being a player... posted by oscar on December 16, 2007 at 18:37:09

          I know folks here aren't so focused on that, but the extra 20 gigs provided by blu-ray is a big issue in gaming. Let's not forget that all PS3 games are on BD.
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          • I get the impression the PS3 could support far more sophisticated games than what's on the XBox. - oscar 18:15:24 12/17/07 (0)
            In Reply to: RE: Let's not forget that this is also a huge deal with gaming posted by Jazz Inmate on December 17, 2007 at 15:15:41

            Unfortunately, I'm under the impression the "Game development environment" is far more onerous for wouldbe game programmers than for the Xbox 360. Eventually, the PS3 could rule IF they can manage to come up with better development tools and do a better job recruiting software developers.
            
            

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