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Went to Cosco on a water run yesterday. I took a couple minutes to stare at two LCD tv's, a "120Hz" Sony(not XBR4) and a cheap Visio. They both were showing the same thing, some sort of HD show of various scenes. On ocassion you could see the Visio juddering as it had a problem showing smooth movement while the Sony 120Hz was fine, smooth. However, to my surprise, less often the Sony 120Hz would jutter with some certain movement rates while the Visio was just fine and smooth.
Now I have read that Sony doesn't use true 5:5 pulldown for its 120Hz machines which makes them crap to me. There is no way I'm going to plunk down 2.5 plus grand and have phony juddering on my set. Does this mean only real 5 5 pulldown fixes this problem???
We'll have to agree to disagree about human caused global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along.
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Whether they (SONY) use the correct pulldown or not is really immaterial. SONY produces junk and also will NOT stand behind their products, so you should avoid them at all cost. I know all too well having lived through the SXRD fiasco. Now my second set has gone belly up and SONY will not help. $3k for a TV that won't even last two years? Not for me, ever again.
Joe
...died in three years, the last out of warranty, of course.
Circuit Shitty, too, after they supported (and then lost tens of million$ in) the pay-per-view DIVX-DVD fiasco. Sometimes I have a long memory.
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and cheap. If I ever need a big LCD, that's what I'm getting; I don't see the need to pay more for other bigger names..
I'm trying to get a better understanding of the jutter you speak of. I look at the Sonys pretty often. I've noticed no pixelation with a good signal unless it was a live sporting event or something similar. And in these cases it was still very minor.Most HD demos are still frames..was this just a cable or OTA feed?
Thanks
The juttering was most obvious when a "square" of text slowly moved across the screen. It would say still for a split second, then jump a ways, then be still again. Sort of hop across the screen maybe five to ten times a second.
The feed was some sort of collection of what looked like it was filmed by a camera mounted on an airplane flying over interesting views, Europe or mountainscapes.
It looped every few minutes so come to think of it I'm not sure of where it has come from.
Only a very careful look at the sweeping nature sceens would reveal this juttering, it sort of got lost in all the detail and colors of the countryside.
We'll have to agree to disagree about human caused global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along.
The anomaly you experienced was most likely due to the different frame rates of the video and the over layed text. The torture test for video processing is to view video originally sourced from a 24fps source with 30fps text scrolling in the manner you experienced. The text will invariably exhibit some sort of "judder" as you are viewing two different frame rates on the same screen.
That's probably it.
We'll have to agree to disagree about human caused global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along.
I'm not sure what could be the problem there, too many variables to know. I do know the Sonys have one of the best pictures on the market. Their menu interface is one of my favorites!I'm sure once you got one of these units home and tweaked it. You'd be more than satisfied with the picture quality.
This is why it is so important not to judge any of these TVs in a store. You just can't do it. You'd be amazed at how much the picture changes for the better with a few adjustments.
As you've mentioned above the LCD is the best approach for those of us that use their panels for more than normal TV watching. I've installed a few video games on my PC feeding the 52" just so any kids in the family could entertain themselves without me worrying about the burn in.
What ever you do please mount the unit to a wall if you can. lol
Too many times I see people sticking TVs like this in a cabinet. It just doesn't make much sense too me as the panel was built to give you more space. It also looks really cool as well! ;-)I'm on a mission to have all my TVs wall mounted and linked to PCs. This way I can use a blue tooth keyboard and mouse in any room that has a TV. Next is the master bath and the kitchen.
Get plasma, man! It's bloody good.
We'll have to agree to disagree about human caused global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along.
I'm always suprised to see people continuously mentioning brightness as an advantage of LCD over plasma. I have seen no problem with brighness on plasmas. LCDs may indeed get brighter, but both will get brighter than you will ever need them to be. I have a 50" Panasonic plasma in our family room, which has a west facing, and is very bright in the afternoon, yet with the Panasonic properly calibrated (with brightness turned down), it has no problem whatsoever is that bright setting. Dont worry about brightness, as both plasma and LCD will burn your eyeballs out if that is what you wish.
I am amazed that one can view anything on a LCD or any other type of TV for that matter in a Costco. Floor models have all the settings pumped up way too high, bright warehouse lighting and all too often animated programming that does not show the true texture of live action.
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