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i think the general consensus on this board is that 3D is a gimmick. some gets ill even just thinking of having to put on those geeky glasses. the word out in the streets is that all of the japanese companies are bleeding money badly. they are panicking and don't know what to do. they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, clutching at any straw that they think will make them money. so now they are trying to promote 3D with the hopes that people will line up to buy multi-thousand dollar players and new displays to watch Pirahna - 3D (the only 3D movie announced so far this year).
but between now till end this year, will you buy a new TV, a new receiver, a new surround pre/pro, a new blu-ray player that is only 1.3ver HDMI and non 3D capable?
please share with us your thoughts. TIA!
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3D? I still listen to 2.1, and think that surround sound is a gimmick!
Rod
Rod, don't you think that it's about time to consider an upgrade?!?!? ;O)
I'll be buying a new 65-70 inch flat panel within the next year. I don't give a rat's ass about 3D, at this time. If it becomes a reality and mature technology, with plenty of software, I may change my mind. For now,
I consider it a desperation move, by manufacturers to boost hardware sales.
-Wendell
I buy what I want -- not what the CE companies tell me I need. Whether the component I purchase has 3D capability or not will be immaterial because it won't be used.
i love to hear gratification stories!
That 72" Vizio LED LCD has me interested ($3500 MSRP). If I get it, I'd also add a video processor (DVDO Edge, should be able to get one around $500 by then). And no, even though the Vizio is 3D capable, I won't be using the feature (all video would go through the DVDO Edge, which has no 3D support). So there's a possible $4k expenditure without 3D consideration.
If the Vizio turns out to be a turd, I will probably get a 65" Panasonic plasma from their broadcast division. I highly doubt there will be 3D support for these models, but it won't matter anyway if I get the above video processor (no 3D support).
As you seem to be asking, I am someone who wants to replace his current display. Actually, the current one will just move into the bedroom and replace the current 42" plasma that's there now. The primary display I'm using now is a Panasonic TH-50PHD6UY (50", 1366x768, broadcast model, purchased in February 2004). And similar to what Grant says below: I am not anti-3D, but I am not pro-3D either. I just want the best 2D image that current technology can deliver to my eyes. As for videophile status, since I own calibration equipment/software and delve into my display's Service Menu, the answer is probably "yes".
Can't really answer your question right now, because I haven't seen what 3D Blu Rays look like. Right now, the only 3D gear I own is a Fuji Finepix W1 digital camera, and would love to be able to view the photos on a large screen.
=> because I haven't seen what 3D Blu Rays look like.
most of the comments about 3D are coming from people who hadn't seen a proper demo on a full-HD per eye 3D TV.
=> Ask again in 18 months
by that time, all related video components would be brought up to specs. so then that question is moot.
I'm not planning on getting any new video gear for a while, I have the Oppo BD player, and my SXRD TV seems to be working fine-its still on the original bulb, with a back up in the wings. If by some reason, I need to replace or upgrade, or if I decide to go the projection route for my family room (a possibility), I'll get the best 2D picture I can afford, but I have zero interest in 3D.
Jack
I bought the Oppo SE and a KRP-600M plasma.
It's smart of the electronics manufacturers to capitalize on the hype of Avatar. Such a smash hit can carry a lot of sales on its coattails. But I hope the CE companies realize that as soon as the hype wears off, there is little to no incentive to go 3D.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
with a cracked screen.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
I understand Pioneer only manufactured 500 of these and considering the number said to be cracked I feel lucky to have this screen.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
except I went with the KRP-500M. No interest in 3D.
Kal
Definitely a smart move to order one before they went extinct.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
when did you buy this KRP-500M?
Mid-October but it makes no difference. I am impressed with 3D but not comfortable with it.
Kal
this poll is targeted towards those who has a real need to purchase video components between now till end this year.
every consumer in that situation would need to ask himself if he wants to be caught out - like yourself - with an expensive TV that is not future proof.
but i'm sure TV companies would be more than happy to ship you samples for long term loan, for the purpose of educating your faithful readers of your regular columns in stereophile.
after all, enveloping surround sound and out-of-the-baffle picture image projection go hand-in-hand, don't they not?
I bought the Pioneer because they were becoming rare and I didn't want to miss out. I was well aware of the relative imminence of 3D and might have waited but I don't care about it.
BTW, I don't review exclusively video products, so no samples, long term loan or not.
Besides, this poll has no statistical value but is only informed by expressed comments, anyway.
Kal
=> I bought the Pioneer because they were becoming rare and I didn't want to miss out. I was well aware of the relative imminence of 3D and might have waited but I don't care about it.
pioneer plasma TVs are drool cool.
i can understand sentiments like not wanting to miss out on them.
it is exactly what this poll was intended to find out.
unfortunately without making this point, your earlier comments came across like a typical rant against 3D.
thanks for responding.
I haven't seen enough negative posts to call anything "typical" about non-pro-3D sentiments. Personally I just don't care for it, and I think many others are in the same boat. I'm not anti-3D, just not pro-3D, HUGE difference. I'd rather just have a nice clean 2D picture. I do not by any means consider myself a videophile.
answers won't be valid if you have already made purchased.
you bought your plasma TV mid of last year, isn't it?
you mentioned something like that on May 31, 2009 at 16:55:29the issue is whether anyone will still intentionally buy a new video component knowing full well that some features (they probably may use in the future) are not going to be available.
a more suitable question for you is:
if someone has the dough and the inclination to buy the ayre blu-ray player DX5 (souped up BD83), which for hypothetical question's sake is out next week, will you still recommend the person to buy it?
the new player will cost USD$10K
but it isn't 3D ready (since it is a reworked BD83)
it probably will sound fabulous.
Edits: 02/18/10
partially because of my recent purchases and mainly because I'm just not interested.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
we seen this type of rationale came from people who own megabucks CD player against SACD when it first came out. remember?
look:
the poll was meant to find out if people will intentionally buy expensive new video components now, in the full knowledge that that component isn't future proof.
it's not for your rants about imagined problems of 3D.
we have already read enough about them in ole's thread below.
case in point:
the new upcoming ayre DX5.
said to have been given an overhaul in virtually every part of its audio section - both digital and analog.
knowing charles hanson track record, it is probably going to sound not too bad.
problem is: it is based on the soon to be outdated oppo HDMI 1.3 platform, and it cost $10K.
given this current transitional period, is it wise to buy this ayre player now?
I'm very happy with the KRP-600M. It is honestly the best display I have ever seen. I don't intend to replace this screen for 10 yrs if I can help it. And I didn't spend much on it. It was 1/3rd the price of my early generation Pioneer plasma I bought 7+ years ago.
As for the Oppo, I could see replacing it relatively soon, but again I don't think 3D will be a factor in that decision. This isn't a rant--I'm just being honest about my level of interest.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
My (Infocus X1) PJ is a few years old now. When the bulb dies (I'm at around 1200-1500? of potentially 4000 hours, but I'm sure it won't last 4000) I will replace it with an HD unit. If it dies and that's over $1K, then my answer is yes, I will do so and 3D will not be a consideration for me.
=> If it dies and that's over $1K, then my answer is yes, I will do so...
OK, if you like to have a replacement projector of similar quality level to the broken down unit, how much are you willing to pay up to - assuming that it won't be 3D compatible?
I haven't done any research, but I'm guessing it'll be a bit over $1K, not a clue really. Maybe $1200 or so? I'll look into it when the existing PJ breaks down, unlikely I'll update it just because I want a better PJ.
As much as I like watching movies, and a tiny bit of TV in my room, the room is there mainly for music. In that room I watch maybe 2-3 hours a week of TV and usually 1-3 movies per month. Hence the low hours after about 4 years on the unit!
I don't really care about the cost so much, when the gear has a good use (IMO). What I would wonder is what I'd do with this 3D gear once I had it i.e. choose your hardware based on the software you want to use. I have learned not to trust the usual suspects when it comes to something new. Especially if I know Sony is heavily involved. They have had way more "failures" than successes in THIS market in my lifetime. And after the BD/HD-DVD nonsense. There are already multiple 3D "standards", and Sony gear is already some of the more finicky with who else's HDMI gear they'll talk to nicely. [I do have some Sony gear BTW. :)] My usual stance is to buy 2nd gen and sometimes 3rd, once they get the basic bugs out, and see what's going to stick, but before they cheapen the build quality too much.
Kind of OT, but relevant to me. There have been reputable scientific studies (often associated with space/aircraft training stuff) that show the eyes/brain get confused with artificial 3D: the eyes don't know exactly where to focus, so uncontrolled rapid eye movement can result. I get a headache just short of a migraine from this, even having to sit too close to a (large) 2D screen will do it. These are not new studies, but complaints from some Avatar viewers have brought them to the mainstream forefront.
i am sure you must be supremely unhappy with your sony PS3.
will you buy a new Blu-ray player between now till end of this year (maybe an oppo BD83?) - knowing that it won't be 3D compatible?
I'm not at all unhappy with the PS3. But...I did buy the 2nd gen of them. I'd call the current PS3 3rd gen and it definitely seems cheaper built but has more features, as is typical of gens. Supposedly the PS3 will do some sort of 3D eventually, but since I don't really play games (I have one game) I doubt there'll be much worthwhile 3D software for me for at least 10 years, maybe 20 LOL.
I do have a BDP-83 already. All of my video gear except the PS3 is still slightly less than a year old. I am happy with it, and that's what it's about. I usually only go shopping for gear when I'm "unhappy" about some aspect, IOW not always after the latest/newest thing. Like to see what sticks as far as new tech, especially nowadays with zillions of 24/7 media channels needing fill making every new thing seem like a huge development.
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