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1) On Blu's especially, it loses lip synch and has to be paused to recover.
2) Frequently, not always, when a camera pans the image stutters (studders?). But not when an image on the screen moves, even a large image.
Any ideas?
P.A.
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I almost don't believe it, but I experienced your #1 for the first time EVER yesterday. Just the tiny tiniest amount of lip synch, maybe a few ms. And that's via HDMI A/V. Never happened before. If I hadn't seen your remedy I would have gone nuts trying to figure out what to do: a pause then play and it was gone.I am NOT going to erase my persistant storage (been a couple weeks since I have) to see if it's reproducible. I *did* have BD-Live enabled and the network gear turned on, though I wasn't intentionally "using it". I am 100% sure it is caused by the Oppo, and not the BD as it's one I've played before and there's nothing gear-wise changed in the A/V stream for 2-3 years.
So it happens for both analog and HDMI audio. My BD was PCM 7.1 and yours was DTS-HD MA 5.1, so probably not audio format specific.
AFAIK my 83 is working "perfectly". I use it every day for playing some type of disc (everything except CD).
Edit: yup, it's repeatable. Same disc. One time the lip synch started after coming out of a Pause. Clearing persistant storage doesn't prevent it. One occasion the synch kept getting worse and worse until even the person I was watching with said they could see it too...some people aren't that bothered by it, kinda like me with EE, has to be quite bad before I really notice. This synch problem isn't supposed to happen with HDMI A/V from the same source. Once again, it may have something to do with the network stuff, so I'll disconnect the 83 and see what that does (still, this shouldn't happen).
It's very strange that my 83 started doing this at roughly the same time yours did...it's not like I suddenly just happened to notice it, even the tiniest bit of it bugs me, so something's up. A virus on the 83?? I suppose I could re-install the last FW and reset everything to default then restore...if it's still happening in a few days I'll do that. You never know what crap is coming in via BD-Live, but I do sometimes use it to get new promos or stream shows.
Edits: 10/23/11
Here's a definition from CNET:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6029_7-6405160-1.html
Someone posted a good example of judder on YouTube (click below). Does your problem look like that? I've seen (relatively) minor judder on BDs, all from 24fps material. (Heck, I notice it in films at the theater, too.) Not sure what can be done about it, though...
Russell
Figgered as much, but good to actually know -- I guess.
When I wrote "studder" I was denoting what I thought was a phenom inbetween stutter and judder.
Now I'll have to go search the manuals!
P.A.
1) Never saw/heard that. Are you using HDMI for both video and audio? If so, lip synch shouldn't be a problem. Maybe you could clarify your A/V connections since the 83 is so flexible there. There are some BDs out there with inherent lip synch, but we won't count them.
2) I've seen that too on BDs once in a long while. I've also seen a similar look watching some live HD broadcasts, during panning. Obviously not the 83 for the latter. So I'm going to guess it's either an artifact of the HD cameras, or of my (your) display. It is something I don't see often though. The BDs where you see it: do you know if they were created on film or digitally (these days it's often bits of both)? Maybe you can give an educated guess for the scenes when the stutter occurs...maybe we can point the finger at some type of camera. There is no doubt though the human eye can see the natural "stutter" of 24fps, and some people are much more sensitive to it.
The thing you don't want to hear is your 83 is crapping out. Almost always, 83 playback problems are the indicator of that, and seem to start with failure to read BDs, then DVDs, then nada...so I'll guess you're OK.
1) Never saw/heard that. Are you using HDMI for both video and audio?
HDMI video, RCAs audio. But this never used to be a problem.
2) I've seen that too on BDs once in a long while. I've also seen a similar look watching some live HD broadcasts, during panning.
Come to think, you may be correct about that here, too.
[Cont'd] Obviously not the 83 for the latter. So I'm going to guess it's either an artifact of the HD cameras, or of my (your) display. It is something I don't see often though.
A JVC RS-1. Less than a year old. But I *think* the problem is kinda recent.
[Cont'd] The BDs where you see it: do you know if they were created on film or digitally (these days it's often bits of both)? Maybe you can give an educated guess for the scenes when the stutter occurs...maybe we can point the finger at some type of camera. There is no doubt though the human eye can see the natural "stutter" of 24fps, and some people are much more sensitive to it.
First noticed it in gross form on a Pleasantville BD. (For the record, I didn't much care for that movie.) It had to be a film original. But this if not a 24fps problem; what happens is, every second or so the motion stops momentarily, then rejoins the timeline. It's as though some sort of buffer runs out of room and has to recollect itself.
[Cont'd] The thing you don't want to hear is your 83 is crapping out. Almost always, 83 playback problems are the indicator of that, and seem to start with failure to read BDs, then DVDs, then nada...so I'll guess you're OK.
NOOOOOOO! Not that!
And now, only now, it occurs to me that there may be a software update that addresses the situation. I'll go look right now. Again, thanks for the hand, and if you have any further light to throw... well...
P.A.
Nah, I don't have many other ideas. Perhaps they were just poorly done pans, or at just the wrong speed that they look a bit jerky at 24fps, maybe they just turned out crappy on BD at 24fps but look fine/better at 30fps (DVD - BD based on same "old" artifacty or non-optimal transfer??). I haven't seen the Pleasantville BD (have the DVD...). But I have seen the jerky pans before (last Kuro plasma display). I'll pay attention for it now, but I have to say I am not that sensitive to it.Do the FW update for sure. But, one thing to sort of get in the habit of with the 83 is to clear the persistant storage whenever something seems wrong. The 83 seems to really need that occasionally, especially so if you have BD-Live enabled...all sorts of strangeness can happen when the persistant storage mechanism goes south.
Edit: sorry, forgot about the synch. I have no experience running HDMI video and analog audio here, I actually had HDMI audio well before HDMI video... All I know is the obvious A/V synch setting on the Oppo (AVRs have it too). The synch setting could vary with the disc/source being played...I *am* extremely sensitive to lip synch issues, which I've never seen with HDMI A/V here.
Edits: 10/21/11
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