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Alexander, according to legend, solved the riddle of the Gordian Knot by slicing it with his sword. In a similar manner, I've solved the rats nest of issues I've encountered with my newly purchased 1080p HD LCD flat panel by...returning it......and replacing it with a 11 year old Sony tube set, for ten dollars, from Craig's List.
Simple. Simple solution. Great result.
No incomprehensible calibration DVDs to run; no motion blur; no black level issues; no pixelation; no problems. Don't worry, be happy.
Edits: 10/31/11Follow Ups:
Odd that you would believe that.
Last year we upgraded from a 10yr old Sony 27inch XBR to a 42inch Panny Plasma and have never looked back. The Sony picture was exceptional for a tube tv...about the best I saw. But the Panny blows it away. After careful setup and adjustment, better colors, contrast, detail etc. No motion artifacts to worry about.
For the first few months of ownership, our TV viewing increased because watching the "new" tv was such an enjoyable experience.
Give it another try.
Best,
Ross
I replaced my Sony XBR 36 inch flat screen with a Samsung 46 inch HD and have never looked back. Sooooo much better. If you look at your tube tv as discriminatingly as you did to your HD TV you would change your mind.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
I agree with you. Nor am I blind to the many excellent characteristics of HD flat panels.
However, I just expect near perfection. I can't help it. Actually, I expect the kind of excellence I use to have with my old Sony, in appropriately greater proportion. At least flesh colors should be correct.
I've got no illusions about low def. It's just a temporary stop gap. As soon as I see a decent HD flat panel for a low price, I'll jump on it.
My Sony XBR was one of the best tube TV's out there. Great picture for its time. But when I got my Samsung, I was stunned. The colors are so much better. The details are superb. The first few days I had it I couldn't concentrate on the movie I was watching, I kept being distracted by the colors and details (oh, look at those flesh tones; oh, look at those bricks; oh, look at the leaves on that tree).
The HD TV's you looked at must have had terrible sources or the picture was way out of calibration. If you look, you will see motion artifacts on your tube TV too.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
I have an ancient Toshiba 35" Cinema Series that is an excellent set. I'm just not ready to pay megabucks for a plasma (my preference)just to watch my teams especially when everything else on tv is CRAP (at its best).
...Depending on the size they are only pocket change.
Of course each to their own but I really don’t know how folks can honestly compare the enjoyment & experience of watching anything on a small CRT compared to a large flat panel.
Life is too short to miss out on simple pleasures when one need not.
Enjoy your CRT.
Smile
Sox
~15 years ago I paid $1600 for my Sony 35" mammothly deep, heavy TV.
Last year it died and I paid $700 for a 50" Samsung Plasma that kicks the Sony's butt in every respect (bigger, better, lighter, etc.), at less than half the price.
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Smile
Sox
I know what you mean. And, you're right. Life's too short to waste on crap. I agree, completely.
Except that, right now, low tech makes more sense; at least for me. Here's why:
1. VHS - I bought a boat load of movies on VHS from the local video store that went out of business. They were blowing them out for 10 cents a piece. Great way to view all those movies I'd missed, some of which seem to have never even made it to DVD. However, on high res, VHS looked not like crap, but like truly ripe, supremely awful crap. Unwatchable. So, for the moment, low res wins.
2. DVD - I'm extremely busy most of the time. Hense, the few shows I do watch I have to record on my DVD recorder for later viewing. When viewed on high def, those recordings look like crap. They're 480p; what'd you expect? And, there're no high def recorders that don't cost a kilo buck, and few [I counted 3] to chose from at any price. So, low res wins.
3. I've noticed that much broadcast programming has bad color. Very red faces, or yellow, etc. Especially the nightly news, which varies hugely for skin tone, even tho it's broadcast in either 780p or 1020i. Bad color in high def doesn't help.
4. I'm stuck with choosing 32 inches or smaller. No plasma in that size. 120hz or better LCD/LED? There're only 4. Four. The rest? 60hz. I'm betting that a year from now, I'll see wider choice of 32 inch LED 120hz for under $400. For the time being, low res wins.
DVDs look very very good upscaled. Not as good as the best Blu-rays, but very good nonetheless. The majority of my viewing is from DVDs.
As for the bad color, since you have a noticeable aversion to making adjustments to your [picture, It may or may not be the broadcasts. Even if it is, SD certainly won't fix that.
Jack
... But as long as you believe it it’s all good.
Smile
Sox
There is just too much of LIFE out there to sit and watch the (aptly named) boob tube.
... I have three plasma screens, three LCD screens & three CRT TVs.
However I watch way less than 7 hours per week of TV. I do watch music DVDs on my big rig most weeks.
My wife & kids do watch a lot more TV than I and also watch quite a few DVDs per week as well.
I must say anyone using price as a reason they are don’t have a flat panel TV is either very poor, full of shit or a pencil nose tight wad.
As I said, each to their own.
Enjoy watching your sport on your small CRT.
Smile
Sox
As others have already stated, take a look at Panasonic's plasmas.
... What make & model did you return and what model & size Sony CRT are you now happy with?
Smile
Sox
It's 24 inch crt. Flat screen tube. Model KV24FV12.
UPDATE: well, last night I had more time to sit down and watch the thing. I'm less sanguine than I was before. I think my 22 year old Sony KV20TS21 spoiled me forever. It had such a lush, pristine picture and color...and this from a set made in 1989!
The color on the KV24FV12 isn't the best. Also, I can see the lines of resolution, most clearly on bright scenes, with white or light blue backrounds. Boy, that's one thing you don't have to deal with with HD. Also, Sony seems to have gone to alot of trouble with the speakers. They're side mounted. They've got a lot of thumping, gratutous bass boom. I've had to turn the bass way down on the TV, but it still rumbles through; and, turning down the bass too far makes the rest of the sound awful.
Did they lose something when they moved to flat screen tubes? Maybe old is just old.
I don't know. I just want my old set back. Should've bought two of them back in 1989, and kept one as a spare.
You still didn’t mention the make, model & size of the set you returned.
I suspect you are trying to compare apples with oranges and coming up
with egg on your face :)
Any half-decent flat tube CRT should have an excellent picture but in comparison to the better flat panels of today they are just not in the race.
Also size!!!!!! Are you really trying to compare the viewing enjoyment from a 22 inch screen versus a 50 or 60 inch screen?
My computer monitor is a full HD LED lit LCD and 32 inches in size. It has an excellent picture. However I don’t watch movies on it because I much prefer the 65 inch plasma in my main HT set-up. (Size really dose matter)
I suggest if you want anything better than ordinary sound from a TV you will need to hook up external amps & speakers.
Other than the el-cheapo flat panels most of the current HD flat panel models have an excellent picture.
Give the 22 incher to some kid down the road and buy yourself a minimum of a 50 inch HD flat panel and enjoy it.
Smile
Sox
Yes, I should've specified everything. OK. Here it is:
JVC JLC32BD3000 32" LCD 60hz
My space and seating arrangement dictates a small screen. 32" is max.
The 24 inch CRT Sony is a KV24FV12, flat panel, made in 2000.
I'm not worried about eggs or predatory mammals as much as winding up with a collection of other people's unwanted, smelly, old TV's. And STILL being unhappy. Going back to B&W, dammit.
... They are cheap and there should be many of them around on display for you to choose the one you like.
Don’t worry about new/better sets coming out. Just buy a good one now and if you see something better in 12 months buy it. At 32 inch we are only talking pocket change.
OR stick with the miniature CRT :)
IMHO once one is hooked on size it is hard to watch anything else.
For movies and music DVDs I only watch our 65” Panasonic plasma. We have a 50” plasma in our bedroom but I only watch the late news on it.
Have fun!
Smile
Sox
I've stuck doggedly with my 46" rear projection 16:9 Sony CRT dating from 2005.
To me it feels like going to the movies. Its not as sharp as a current flat panel, but it has other redeeming features.
Jack
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There are many displays that are "only" 480p which accept > 480 scan lines. Internally, they will downrez the signal to 480 lines; however, when fed a High Definition signal, you should easily see a higher quality picture with these displays than what you see when they are only fed 480 lines.
I was being facetious.
Jack
Didn't get the wink.
Well, I know that some people may laugh; but I've talked with a number of others who agree with my descision. After speaking to people, I was bit surprised at how many aren't excited about HD in it's present state. On guy whom I respect said flat out that he won't compromise with motion blur, no matter how wonderful the other qualities may be.
Anyway, a year from now brand new, better [probably much better], cheaper sets will be available, making today's choices dated, and on their way to being what yesterdays PCs are: boat anchors. Well, light boat anchors.
OLED is just around the corner; who knows? They may even achieve natural flesh tones...someday.
Yeah, I hate LCD tv's too.
Plasma is awfully nice, though. Check out the Panasonics.
"Lock up when you're done and don't touch the piano."
-Greg House
Flesh tones are great on my calibrated Panasonic Plasma. No motion blur, either. You get the positives of a CRT (real phosphors) without the problems (poor convergence, at least on parts of the screen). I loved my Sony Wega when I had it, but I would never go back.
The benefits of CRT and LCD without the issues of either IMO.
OLED is dead. Been dead for quite a while-its not financially feasible.
If you want accurate flesh tones, one has to calibrate their set. I guess pushing a couple of buttons is just too hard for some people. Plasma is is pretty much the standard-they are very good. CRTs have their own issues.
Jack
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Plasma! I can't understand anyone preferring SD to HD. It is spectacular in my home. That being said I know there are some who prefer VHS to DVD.
-Wendell
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