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The trouble with HD DVD and Blu Ray.....

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Posted on December 9, 2007 at 14:03:20
chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com
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 ...is that just like SACD and DVD-A, they are formats which are basically identical to the formats they wish to displace, only better, but the formats they wish to replace are cheaper, already owned and plenty good enough for the masses.

Blu Ray, HD DVD, SACD and DVD-A are solutions to problems that don't exist for 99% of the population, and the high rez video hardware has been hurried in years before it was really ready for the market in a manner displaying contempt even for the overly tolerant early adopters.

Neither format deserves to succeed in my opinion, although as someone who wants the very best sound and vision possible in the home for the most involving cinematic experience, I will probably adopt any format which provides this to my satisfaction if the software price isn't outlandishly above that of DVD which is the case now, and if the players are capable of getting the best from the software which is nowhere near the case now.

I can see Ole's point of view and if I had a projector or even a plasma larger than the 42 incher in residence now I'd be possibly more enthusiastic about wanting one or other format to succeed, but for now the image through a Denon DVD-A1XV even without the 1080p upgrade is superb, and the quality of the transport, power supplies and general build which all influence picture and sound quality is unmatched in the current crop of high rez video players in my opinion.

Ole - manufacture a high end Blu Ray player and I might take the format more seriously, but for now a player getting 80% of DVD's potential is preferable than one getting 30% of Blu Ray's. :0)





Best Regards,
Chris redmond.

 

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RE: The trouble with HD DVD and Blu Ray....., posted on December 9, 2007 at 15:04:35
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 Chris, I agree with much of what you've said. ;^)

However, while there are striking similarities between hi-def audio (SACD vs. DVD-A) and hi-def video (blu-ray, HD DVD), I think there are significant differences.

1) The movie-watching-&-purchasing public is far larger than the music-listening-&-purchasing public. The habit of going to the theater to watch a movie is deeply engrained in American culture, and though it is waning with the advent of home theater, it established a huge base of buyers for DVD to tap into.

2) Sight, not sound, is the primary of all human senses. Trying to hear subtleties in recordings . . . more space between instruments, sound stage, tight low end, etc. . . . is an impossible task for many of us who are music lovers, not to mention the masses!

However, I do think that well-done hi-def video (be it blu-ray or HD DVD) is clearly superior to standard DVD (even when the latter is upconverted), and there is some likelihood that even some average consumers can detect this difference.

3) The introduction of hi-def video was indeed "hurried" to market. But I imagine this was in part largely "competition driven" by two competing formats trying to beat each other to market first.

Of course, these hardware deficiences are disgusting. But place these shortcomings against the general regress of quality electronics over the past three decades. E.g., I have three color TVs, and quality is inversely related to age . . . older is better.

Prices need to come down to facilitate the adoption of any new video format. In general, they have come down rapidly, primarily driven by competition between the two formats.

So unless digital movie downloads kill both the hi-def video formats, I believe that both will survive for awhile, and possibly one for the indefinite future.

 

I agree, but digital is becoming FCC-mandated for broadcasters starting in 2009, posted on December 10, 2007 at 09:13:11
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 Even now, the major network broadcasters in my area (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS), as well as the PBS channel, are airing a great deal of HDTV content. At some point, you won't be able to buy an NTSC TV set, and HDTV will take over. We are in the early stages now. I think this needs to be factored into your analysis. It certainly gives blu-ray and hd dvd more of a chance than sacd or dvd-a had.
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There has to be sufficient demand for a high end Blu-ray player before Ole can consider the idea., posted on December 10, 2007 at 11:14:39
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 And that won't happen, if ever, until the format war is resolved and HD media achieves more widespread acceptance then it has now.

 

RE: SACD & DVDA The same fiasco! Downloads..., posted on December 11, 2007 at 06:02:04
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 Will be the answer for !

 

Not a format upgrade... just being sold the SAME movie again.. and again.., posted on December 11, 2007 at 21:13:36
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 just like LP, CD, SACD, etc. etc.
I don't really believe that these are so much Format upgrades as they are a manipulated opportunity to re-sell the buying public the same material.

Rick

 

I thought it is the other way..., posted on December 9, 2007 at 22:03:36
sser2
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 Buying music records makes a lot of sense to me because a record is listened hundreds of times. I never understood why people buy DVDs - you watch it once, maybe twice, and that's it.

 

RE: I thought it is the other way..., posted on December 10, 2007 at 06:35:27
townsend
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 In principle, I agree. Music has much more "replay" value.

But go into Best Buy. How much retail space is devoted to music (CD) versus movies (DVD)? While the music section has contracted, DVD has expanded.

What I can't figure out is why so many people want to own BAD movies! To each their own.



 

RE: I thought it is the other way..., posted on December 10, 2007 at 08:48:12
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 Hi.
Auditory memory is not as good as visual memory for most of the people. In addition, people with ADD suffer more from auditory memory. As a professor I have dealt with this problem even in post-graduate students, and the major problem with this deficiency is auditory memory.

Many students will clearly remember visual imagery more than auditory imagery, and most people do. This has to do with the way our brain works. There are just too many sounds around us and the brain has to be selective in order to process the most important information: that related to survival.

That is one reason visual user interfaces are better than text interfaces in computers and other equipment.

Some people, especially musicians, are different in this respect. They can remember exactly the sounds of the music. Take the examples of Beethoven and Smetana: they were deaf and they could compose without "hearing" the sounds of the music. Most composers work from their minds because the can "hear" the sounds in their brain.

I am a semi profesional musician and conductor, and I can "hear" the music inside my head, so to say. An annecdote: when I arrived home from Vietnam, I had to report to the Veteran's Administration for a checkup. One was a psychiatric evaluation. The doctor asked at one moment if I "heard sounds in my head". I said yes. He looked at me with a smile and said, "I will reffer you for further evaluation. What kind of sounds you hear?" I answered, "musical sounds. I am a musican and I can hear a whole symphony in my head". He looked at me, crumpled the piece of paper that he was using to write his report and said: "you are ok, get the hell out of here".

The point is that most people will remember visual things much better than auditory things and thus watchng a movie once or twice is enough. I have a large collection of movies as well as audio. But the movies I have are some of the best ever produced. I watch them after quite a time, and many times I discover things that I never noticed before and rediscover things that I had forgotten. Similar to recorded music.

Happy listening!

 

Nonsense, posted on December 10, 2007 at 10:21:04
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 Despite cable and Tivo, I often find that most of the stuff being broadcast is junk or a waste of my time. I sometimes buy DVDs to free myself of the junk being promoted. Movies like Casablanca, North by Northwest, It's A Wonderful Life, Gone With The Wind, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Godfather I/II, Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, Lawrence of Arabia, Notorious, Rebecca, West Side Story, King Kong, Godzilla, Star Wars, Star Trek - The Voyage Home, Shakespeare In Love, Dial M for Murder, and of course all versions of Zorro, are just a few of the movies that I have watched dozens, if not hundreds of times.

In a similar vein I never criticize the audiophile who has a top notch system that costs far more than his/her modest music collection. Quality and what brings you great pleasure trumps all.

 

Once people start to see a steady diet of True hi-def on Broadcast channels with HDTV...., posted on December 10, 2007 at 18:27:16
oscar
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 ...e people will start to become dissatisfied with the quality of their DVD playback and wonder if the HD media might give better results. I think it's still a bit early to attempt mass market penetration but Toshiba doesn't seem to think so.

 

As ever, software is the key., posted on December 10, 2007 at 12:53:56
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 If a high-end Blu Ray player came out which was also a high end DVD player with broadcast quality upscaling of DVD and audiophile grade analogue stereo outputs I'd be interested myself, but the likes of Ole would have to rely on OEM Blu Ray mechanisms which might not be up to the task.

DVD is possibly the most successful format of all time and is a hard act to follow, so any high rez player must be backwards compatible in my view for the masses, and for the enthusiasts it must be capable of playing their DVDs to as high a standard as their current player.


Best Regards,
Chris redmond.

 

RE: As ever, software is the key., posted on December 10, 2007 at 16:25:49
Charles Hansen
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 << OEM Blu Ray mechanisms which might not be up to the task >>

The first generation BluRay players wouldn't even play CD's! What a joke! Not a very good prospect to make a high-end machine from....

 

It is difficult to go back, posted on December 11, 2007 at 09:39:47
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 I had no real interest in video quality until I watched an HD broadcast of a sporting event. People are visual. The differences are easy to see. If I can get hooked, anyone can. But I agree with you that it will take time and faces serious challenges in unseating DVD and fending off a burgeoning market for downloadable video.
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Audio downloads are portable; HD Video downloads are not..., posted on December 11, 2007 at 20:09:06
oscar
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 or a waste of time played back on say, an Iphone.

When people are at home, they are probably more likely to watch good quality video on an HDTV. I'm skeptical video downloads will be nearly as good as what's available on Blu-ray/HD DVD today. And people will notice; Especially after a steady diet of HD broadcasts which will occur with increasing frequency in folks' homes.

 

RE: Not a format upgrade... just being sold the SAME movie again.. and again.., posted on December 12, 2007 at 08:48:06
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 "just like LP, CD, SACD, etc. etc.
I don't really believe that these are so much Format upgrades as they are a manipulated opportunity to re-sell the buying public the same material."

With the new high-rez video formats it's also about copy protection and regional coding.

Haven't you heard - consumers are a regarded as a necessary evil, we're all thieves and we're costing the studios billions of pounds/dollars of their hard-earned booty! :0(





Best Regards,
Chris redmond.

 

Come on, guys. If I can see the difference between NTSC and 1080p, anyone can. It ain't subtle, posted on December 12, 2007 at 10:36:11
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 As for regional encoding, shouldn't content developers exercise their right to market their product in the areas where they have distribution rights? If we can't support the protection of intellectual property, copyright laws, etc. The record labels have all been raked over the coals, and the good retailer B&Ms and mom and pop retailers have all shut down. Digital content poses real problems and I don't blame studios for working on copy protection mechanisms.
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This thread should be moved to Video (nt), posted on December 12, 2007 at 11:05:47
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RE: Come on, guys. If I can see the difference between NTSC and 1080p, anyone can. It ain't subtle, posted on December 12, 2007 at 12:46:20
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 "If we can't support the protection of intellectual property, copyright laws, etc."

Get real. The way RIAA has degraded the word "intellectual" it no longer has any meaning, much less value.

"Digital content poses real problems and I don't blame studios for working on copy protection mechanisms."

That's propaganda. CD sales is up, not down. The music industry has never been healthier. The only thing that is down is the sales of Britney Spears CDs. RIAA wants us to cry because Britney Spears CDs don't sell as well as they used to.

The music artists should sue the intellectual dwarves at RIAA, if anyone should sue anyone. RIAA is the music artists' #1 enemy. RIAA has alienated everybody by declaring war on the Internet, technology and the music buyers. Their biggest blunder, of course, was to fight the SACD. What a bunch of idiots.

As for copy protection. I have a useless copy protected CD. You think RIAA is going to refund me for this, the only CD I have that sounds so horrendous it's unlistenable? I do not give a damn about the money. It's that they ripped me off and the insult of being assumed to be an idiot that bother me.

I do not download anything. The artist I like I support. I'm not a gatherer. But I do support every illegal downloader 100%. I cannot do much, but I will do everything I can to hurt RIAA.

 

RE: Come on, guys. If I can see the difference between NTSC and 1080p, anyone can. It ain't subtle, posted on December 12, 2007 at 13:08:58
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 "As for regional encoding, shouldn't content developers exercise their right to market their product in the areas where they have distribution rights?"

No manufacturer has that right with their products so why should the studios?
It simply isn't possible and there will NEVER be a 'solution' for the studios so why alienate the consumer and waste both time and money on copy protection which never, ever works?

IF - and it's a big 'IF' - studios are losing billions due to illegal downloads, is it because people are buying bit for bit copies of DVDs/CDs?

In my experience, 99% of copied DVDs are either CD-Rs, or more often they're filmed in cinemas on camcorders and only sell because buyers want to watch a film before it's released officially on DVD.

In both instances, quality of sound or picture IS NOT AN ISSUE and if DVDs were successfully copy-protected someone would simply play an up-scaled DVD on a projector and film that.



"The record labels have all been raked over the coals, and the good retailer B&Ms and mom and pop retailers have all shut down."

Go see how many record label executives are driving around in Ford saloons, and the next time you watch the 'Grammys' see how many artists are having to watch their purse.

Mom and Pop stores are closing down because that's what has been happening to small stores since supermarkets started selling chart CDs/DVDs and online stores began undercutting - nothing to do with piracy, and if it was the online stores would be shutting down too.

The local grocer shut down years ago and the butcher is struggling too, but not because we've stopped eating veg or meat.

Best Regards,
Chris redmond.

 

"I do support every illegal downloader 100%.", posted on December 12, 2007 at 14:20:35
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 Well, what more can I say? Like it or not, we have things called "laws" and we try to enforce them to protect copyrights and such. That is in contrast to places like Eastern Europe and Asia, where piracy has simply replaced lawful distribution of media. Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?
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That pretty much sums it up (nt), posted on December 13, 2007 at 04:04:46
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I partly agree, posted on December 13, 2007 at 04:13:09
Jack G
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 These formats really are an upgrade, but they were designed so the studios could resell us their old catalogs again, and CEs can sell us more equipment. The irony of that is that the catalog titles on the new formats aren't selling worth a damn, even in relation to HD sales in general.
Jack

 

The problem with HD DVD and Blu-ray is they were rushed to market too early...., posted on December 13, 2007 at 04:59:55
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 ... because of the competition between the two (2) formats. The early adopters have been stuck with multiple firmware upgrades and Blu-ray has it's profile/features maturation process to still work through. But that's the nature of early adopters living on the bleeding edge.

Now, there is a push for mass market adoption, again because of competition pressures. But I think it's too early yet. Not enough consumers have HDTV in the homes and not enough have had sufficient exposure to high quality high-def broadcasts (OTA, cable, satellite). Once that exposure is there and J6P notices the benefits over DVD, mass market high def adoption could take off.

 

What About New Releases????, posted on December 13, 2007 at 05:51:07
Robertc88


 
It is entirely up to J6P if he wants to repurchase a title he may already have when it is reissued on hi def. No one is forced to.

I personally have not been buying any SD DVDs for any new titles. The picture and sound quality are just that much better on Blue Ray versus what player I have for SD DVD.

 

Studios are already making a bundle on those with DVD, posted on December 13, 2007 at 06:19:25
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 They want us to double/triple/quadruple etc dip and spend even more money on the same titles.
Jack

 

A better quality version of the same movie works for quite a few people., posted on December 13, 2007 at 06:19:53
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 Nothing wrong with trying to sell a value-added product. Otherwise, why would people buy DVDs to replace their VHS tapes ?

 

how does a four day old post get moved to the top? nt, posted on December 13, 2007 at 06:44:57
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GOOD QUESTION!! Moderators?, posted on December 13, 2007 at 07:07:24
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Agree, couldn't have put it better. excellent post! nt, posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:09:41
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Some folks rate, you clearly do not. (8^Q... nt, posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:16:00
Elizabeth
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I destroyed the few stolen but unused CDs I copied to celebrate EMI's decision to stop payments to the RIAA nt, posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:21:46
Elizabeth
 That is stolen content of CDs. destroyed all.
Never listened to anyway, ALSO all.
I do not care about illegal downloads. I do not do it. but I PAY ENOUGH so I think I can say fine, go ahead and copy all that crap you would never have purchased anyway!!!

 

I think you nailed it for me as well, posted on December 13, 2007 at 08:36:59
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 The only thing that HD video has going for it that HD audio didn't is that every new DVD release is available in a true HD format. Or at least I think they are.

I have numerous reasons for not buying into HD video formats. And I too truly hope both fail. Not because I want to be right, not because they don't deliver a great picture and sound, but because think it is insane that manufactures and studios have put the consumer in this position.



 

RE: "I do support every illegal downloader 100%.", posted on December 13, 2007 at 09:34:52
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 "That is in contrast to places like Eastern Europe and Asia, where piracy has simply replaced lawful distribution of media."

Are you working for RIAA? Or why the RIAA propaganda.

"Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?"

I know that I don't want to live in a world where RIAA exists.

 

Cream always rises to the top. :0) [nt], posted on December 13, 2007 at 09:43:22
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 nt
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.

 

RE: "I do support every illegal downloader 100%.", posted on December 13, 2007 at 10:07:58
Jazz Inmate
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 Are you serious?

I work for a company that develops, manufactures and markets innovative scientific instrumentation worldwide. In your view, any competitor or thief on the street that wants a piece of us could feel free to pirate our R&D data, set up a manufacturing facility and undercut our sales.

You might think the RIAA is evil incarnate, but they were set up to ensure record plants were meeting standards for frequency response. Their current primary goal is to protect the intellectual property rights of artists. Now you may not like how they go about doing this, and much of the time neither do I, but artists and record labels don't deserve to have their product pirated any more than a company like mine does. How to go about protecting against piracy and punishing piracy is a very complicated question. I certainly don't have the answer, and it's obvious that you don't either. It's about finding a solution.
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But it looks awesome, but won't pick yet., posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:12:34
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 I haven't be following the format thing in detail as I'm waiting for one to win but...

I was in the Sony store and saw Cars on BluRay. It was FREAKING AWESOME looking.

If there was one hi-def video disk format I could buy a player for now that would play all content at a reasonable price (under $250-300), I would buy it tomorrow.

I wouldn't rush out to replace all my movies but would be all new movies on the higher def format.

 

you have a free choice, if you do not like the price, then do not buy !, posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:13:12
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 It is rather silly of you to complain about how the market economy works.
Even communist China accept market economy.

It is classic to start with a high price, skimming the market, and then later lower the price.

Anyway, you select only to buy the new titles.

 

RE: "I do support every illegal downloader 100%.", posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:14:26
Peter H-son
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 "In your view, any competitor or thief on the street that wants a piece of us could feel free to pirate our R&D data, set up a manufacturing facility and undercut our sales."

I never said any of that.

"You might think the RIAA is evil incarnate"

It's hard to say. They seem to be too studid to be genuinly evil. Nah, they are evil, alright. You are aware that RIAA has bullied nations into changing their laws to comply with the will of RIAA?

"but artists and record labels don't deserve to have their product pirated any more than a company like mine does."

And no more than I deserve to get ripped off.

I have made two points.

RIAA ripped me off. I'm being petty and like to see RIAA being ripped off in return. I'm not studid. I know there's no getting back at RIAA. Most people who download illegal mp3s would never buy a CD. They are the same people who in the pre CD days would borrow your LP and tape it. RIAA loses no money on them.

The other point is RIAA's yellow fever propaganda. You can buy pirated Chinese DVDs in virually every mall in America. Of course, that's none of RIAA or MPAA's concern. Their only concern is to protect American interests. I have no problem with that. What does bother me is that their propaganda is parroted by corporate news medias owned by the same people who own the record companies.

 

Thank you for those nice words about me., posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:31:41
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 Currently I am supervising a bespoke 5.1 audio/video room in England with 2000 kg woofer cabinets of military bricks, upstairs in a beautiful old house.
And a bespoke stereo room in India with 3 way active crossover, 6x400W monoblocks, like the system in TAS 124.
As well as developing "normal" loudspeakers for amphion.

So if I wanted to make a Blu Ray player, I must be realistic, I simply do not have the time.

Best regards

Ole Lund Christensen

 

Not surprisingly, you missed my point, posted on December 13, 2007 at 11:43:56
Jack G
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 By so much, that I'm wondering who's post you actually read.
They aren't giving us the new formats out of the goodness of their hearts, they are doing it to make more money. They are already making money on new releases with DVD, HD isn't adding to that significantly. Its the catalog titles that they'll make alot on (in theory).Since they have long since been paid up, so any new sales of them is (almost) free money. That's not a complaint, just an observation. You can only make so many "special limited" editions.
Jack

 

RE: But it looks awesome, but won't pick yet., posted on December 13, 2007 at 12:17:59
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 "I was in the Sony store and saw Cars on BluRay. It was FREAKING AWESOME looking."

But Cars on a decent DVD player viewed on a decent plasma looks aweome, and through a high end upscaling player it looks FREAKING AWESOME. :0)


Best Regards,
Chris redmond.

 

you missed my point, posted on December 13, 2007 at 12:22:47
Ole Lund Christensen
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 To some people HD is adding enough to buy again, to you it is not.

Please stop asuming everybody thinks like you.

Even paid up movies can bring in more money now, and later the price can be reduced to your level.

 

The short answer is ...that depends!, posted on December 13, 2007 at 23:02:49
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 >>> "As for regional encoding, shouldn't content developers exercise their right to market their product in the areas where they have distribution rights?" <<<

IF they market it in my region as originally shown, then yes, but if they don't ...or if they edit it down or withhold it altogether from my designated region, ...then I should be able to purchase that programming from wherever it is offered legally and play it in whatever region I wish!

>>> "If we can't support the protection of intellectual property, copyright laws, etc. The record labels have all been raked over the coals, and the good retailer B&Ms and mom and pop retailers have all shut down." <<<

Yes, piracy is bad and fair use distribution is a concern especially with free dissemination of music content, but you should be smart enough not to swallow the industry's Kool Aid when this issue has nothing to do with piracy. When a collector from one region buys a legally obtainable TV series or movie that's offered in another region it should play on his machine without incident.

>>> "Digital content poses real problems and I don't blame studios for working on copy protection mechanisms." <<<

As I said, piracy would involve being able to download perfect copies off of a machine; that's not what we're talking about when discussing regional encoding.

AuPh

 

"The way RIAA has degraded the word 'intellectual' it no longer has any meaning...", posted on December 13, 2007 at 23:12:43
Audiophilander
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 LOL! Jazz Inmate has done the same thing for the word "capacity", but that's another story! :O)

Cheers,
AuPh

 

What SAME Title Does Joe Have With A New Release?, posted on December 14, 2007 at 05:55:10
Robertc88


 
Like Spidey 3 for instance. I didn't already have nor did I buy the SD DVD, I bought the BD. How is that double dipping???

I see lots and lots of EXCUSES on this forum why folks aren't buying in to a format they are interested in. Now I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons but all I keep reading are excuses more than anything else.

 

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