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• A lot of the films on the list aren't "noir" at all..... - danj 14:57:10 04/09/04 (0)
  In Reply to: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Hepcat on April 07, 2004 at 14:23:19:

  arguably "STRANGERS ON A TRAIN", "FURY", "SUNSET BOULEVARD", "BODY AND SOUL", and "MILDRED PIERCE." They do share some characteristics of noir but I think to have them falling into the genre is stretching things a bit.

  And where are two of the greatest American film noir classics, the original "D.O.A" and "FAREWELL MY LOVELY"? And could not the splendid 1949 film "WHITE HEAT" be considered a film noir classic, at least based on the criterea used for the list? If so, it would surely rank in the top 5.
  
  

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• Thanks for bringing this up again. - edta 18:39:31 04/08/04 (0)
  In Reply to: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Hepcat on April 07, 2004 at 14:23:19:

  My fave genre of American film.
  
  

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• can't we give honorary mentions to... - ephemere 17:21:56 04/08/04 (1)
  In Reply to: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Hepcat on April 07, 2004 at 14:23:19:

  ...The Long Goodbye (1973) and Chinatown (1974). The Long Goodbye especially is a crackup.
  
  

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  • Amen, brother..... - danj 14:58:36 04/09/04 (0)
    In Reply to: can't we give honorary mentions to... posted by ephemere on April 08, 2004 at 17:21:56:

    Both are great films and worthy of the title.
    
    

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• Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... - The Duke 11:32:50 04/08/04 (2)
  In Reply to: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Hepcat on April 07, 2004 at 14:23:19:

  How about: "Detour" (1945) considered by many to be the first noir.

  "Gun Crazy" (1949) also know as "Deadly Is The Female" and consdered to be the best "B" film of all time.

  "The Big Combo" (1955) a personal favorite of mine.
  
  
  

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  • Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... - Buckeye 12:35:10 04/08/04 (0)
    In Reply to: Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Theduke on April 08, 2004 at 11:32:50:

    Duke,

    Gun Crazy/Deadly-Female is #32 on the list-great film by director Joesph Lewis, who also directed Big Combo-a great noir director.

    Detour's main claim to fame is that it is a very decent noir made for next to nothing in a very short period of time-which was director Ed G. Ulmer's specialty! I don't mean to quibble, but I haven't found many sources that find this even close to being the "first noir"...Stranger on the Third Floor (1940) is generally accepted as first (Silver and Ward: Film Noir-An Encyclopedic Reference to the American Style). Others cite The Maltese Falcon...regardless, Detour is a very good noir film, and it should take the place, along with Big Combo, of any of the films listed that were made in the 1930's.

    Just my 2 cents worth

    Thanks,

    Gary
    
    

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  • Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... - rico 11:43:17 04/08/04 (0)
    In Reply to: Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Theduke on April 08, 2004 at 11:32:50:

    I too was surprised that "Detour", the grand daddy of the genre, was missing. I caught this last year on TV without knowing what it was and was fascinated.
    
    

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• Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... - Buckeye 18:07:10 04/07/04 (8)
  In Reply to: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Hepcat on April 07, 2004 at 14:23:19:

  
  Thanks for the list Hepcat.

  I'm a big fan or noir films, and you can't go wrong with most of those on this list.

  I disagree with a few entries...nothing before 1940 is "real film noir"...at least imo...as the French, who hadn't seen an American film since the war started, named the genre after seeing these "dark films" for the first time around 1946-7. Fury, Chain Gang, and You Only Live Twice are good films, and possibly predict what is to come with noir, but are precursors at best (again,imo).

  There is one entry..."Nora ona" (#38) that I don't know...is this possibly Nora Prentiss?

  For a great film noir site, check out noirfilm.com...lotta fun and informative.

  BTW...Out of the Past is rated waaay low in my opinion. This is pretty much considered the jewel in the crown of noir among fans of the genre.

  All the best,

  Gary
  
  

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  • Oh, and about Nora Inu... - Harmonia 18:41:52 04/07/04 (0)
    In Reply to: Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Buckeye on April 07, 2004 at 18:07:10:

    You probably know Kurosawa's noir tribute better by its English title, "Stray Dog".
    
    

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  • I'll have to... - Harmonia 18:30:16 04/07/04 (6)
    In Reply to: Re: Current Top 50 Film Noirs of all time... posted by Buckeye on April 07, 2004 at 18:07:10:

    ...agree - I'd rate the thirties flicks as precursers. A film that is "dark" isn't automatically "film noir".

    I love Out of the Past, but then, I think Pick-Up on South Street is rated way too low as well.

    Interesting that the genre is still going, in fits and spurts, years later. Two of my favorite modern noirs are Blood Simple & The Grifters.
    
    

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    • Re: Neo-noir - Buckeye 19:23:20 04/07/04 (5)
      In Reply to: I'll have to... posted by Harmonia on April 07, 2004 at 18:30:16:

      Thanks, Harmonia, for the tip on Stray Dogs!

      Yep, I like several of the modern "neo-noirs" as well,
      including the ones you mentioned.

      Some other favorites: The Hot Spot, Kill Me Again, Red Rock West...about all of John Dahl's films, actually... the most noir-based director working today, imo...and the noirish homage Romeo is Bleeding.

      Thanks again,

      Gary

      
      
      
      

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      • Re: Ig-noir - albee33 07:12:23 04/08/04 (4)
        In Reply to: Re: Neo-noir posted by Buckeye on April 07, 2004 at 19:23:20:

        Let's add "The Man Who Wasn't There" to the neo's.
        
        

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        • Re: Ig-noir - Buckeye 12:40:36 04/08/04 (3)
          In Reply to: Re: Ig-noir posted by albee33 on April 08, 2004 at 07:12:23:

          Albee,

          Okay, it's added...the Coens are very noir-oriented directors...you can ALMOST say that Miller's Crossing is neo-noir, and in fact, it is included as such in a few of the books I have on film noir.

          The neo-noir list can be quite extensive...one book I have cites no less than 65 films (1965-to date) that are considered noir influenced.

          A big one I left out-The Last Seduction-outstanding femme fatale performance by Linda Fiorentino.

          Thanks,

          Gary
          
          

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          • Any links to the 65 neo's? n - albee33 13:19:11 04/08/04 (2)
            In Reply to: Re: Ig-noir posted by Buckeye on April 08, 2004 at 12:40:36:

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            • Re:Links?... - Buckeye 14:00:41 04/08/04 (1)
              In Reply to: Any links to the 65 neo's? n posted by albee33 on April 08, 2004 at 13:19:11:

              
              ...we got no stinkin' links! (Sorry...always wanted to use that line).

              I actually don't have a link, but I can give you some reference books: Film Noir; an Encyclopedic Reference to the American Style, by Silver and Ward. Considered the "bible of noir," and contains many neo-noirs.

              Film Noir Guide, by Michael Keaney...the newest book I kow of on the subject...includes some neo-noirs, and is a great read.

              Everything about noir-both the classics and neo, is subjective...perhaps one of the most hotly debated subjects in all of film. Is it film noir, or just a dark film. Ultimately, I've found that you have to decide for yourself.

              Some others listed: Genuine Risk, At Close Range, After Dark, My Sweet, The hit, Basic Instinct, Betrayed, Body heat, Dead Again, The Driver, Cop, and.....so on.

              All the best,

              Gary
              
              
              

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              • Danka . . . n - albee33 17:04:11 04/08/04 (0)
                In Reply to: Re:Links?... posted by Buckeye on April 08, 2004 at 14:00:41:

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