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In Reply to: I stand corrected . . . Schmelling is who I was thinking of . . . * posted by mr grits on June 4, 2005 at 23:32:06:
Max Schmeling just died a few months ago. He was married with Mrs. Ongra one of Hitch favourit actress ( and VERY sexy ) of his English period.
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What almost undirectly cost his life.
Who's this guy in the picture with Schmeling then?
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He-he, Good afternoon!So life is not that uncomplicated.
I try to expalin from memory.He was a star. A hero for the German people, so he was to met the Führer. Easy. Who would have not done back then?
BUT later, he completely felt in disgrace. As he did no agree with him and was not willing to be one of his puppet.
He was sent at the front and almost has been killed there.
His relationship with Adolph was as bad as one could have been back then.
In fact he is one of the very few personnality who had the guts to say " no ".If I believe his autobiography taken out of the " Stern " magazin.
And they are quite serious.
He was used by the propaganda machine anyway as evidenced by the photo, but resisted to all but his death any relationship with the mad man. No one could have been expected to do any more. It would have meant certain death to anyone else. He was only spared due to his popularity and symbolism as a strong and courageous German.
-Bill
Did it 100% right*.
Until today she is just but a paria for the German.
* As far as for the Nazi murderous regime.
Certainly famous, but was an American citizen at the time and must have enjoyed protection by Allied military. Max had to face the bastard in person as well as suffer any retaliation. It's not like he was Jesus or anything, but he did bare his back in front of the world in more ways than one.
-Bill
American citizen or not, that has nothing to do withwhat I meant.
She had the most attractive proposition from Goebels, she said no and left the country.
That was a man!
While the war was raging she toured the front line, that was her kind of protection.
What she has done is one step further as did Max.
That was 100% courageous.
Patrick
Not taking anything away from her enthusiasm for life and liberty. I just read that she left Germany as early as 1930 and was a US citizen by 1937 so it it seemed a bit safer distance. I would give both high marks (pardon the pun). I don't profess to know as much about her however.
I am just more intrigued with military history than Hollywood. It is always entertaining to see a movie that portrays the heros and scoundrels of war as well as the the awesome machinery. Personal drama is fine, but I also enjoy the technical aspects and I used to build models of all of the old planes and tanks, etc. when I was much younger. I can't imagine having to deal with the social struggle there at the time or the horror of the reality.
-Bill
Yes it is correct that she lived in the USA, BUT the Nazi regime did all it COULD to lure her back.
She did not only not, but fight against them.
She was considered as a deserter.
Still is.
Hitler came to power in the 1932/3´s, as you know.
Well for me the human side is far more important.
As a kid I also build some models, but that fade quickly away...Patrick
...and Schmeling, who became a very successful businessman, paid for all or part of Louis' funeral out of respect for the man.
eb
Yes, they remained friends until the end of Joe.
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