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In Reply to: Re: I have been brought in as a consultant on a few occassions by CGI guys to critique their work. posted by Analog Scott on July 1, 2005 at 11:33:25:
..., my line of work is robotics and AI stuff. We are working out the story board this month. It's kind of fun. I think we will be allowed to make it public so I might be able to show it to you guys when it is finished. We did a shorter one a few months ago but it was quite flawed in terms of the technology that was illustrated since the animators did it without reviewing the story board in detail with us.
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That's nice, good luck with it and I'll be happy to watch it when you are done. But dude. When I post relevant information for Patrick about the nature of previews that contain CGI and you chime in by asking the obnoxious question "What the hell is wrong with you?" *You* are starting a flame war. Sorry, I don't turn the other cheek. As for my actual criticisms of War of the Worlds I can only guess that you are not paying any attention to the content of those posts. You claim it's ure vitriol with no content. Balony. I made very specific critiques, explained why I thought those critiques were valid and cited examples. What more do you want?
OK, I am all knowing, all seeing and am never wrong about anything .... your turn.Just kidding,
The problem I have is that I am familiar with the H.G. Wells story, I am a long time SF fan both in reading and in films, my line of work is robotics, often in military applications, and I thought the effects here were fantastic. As they were in Minority Report. I guess I'm a bit surprised you didn't notice.
Looking back, most of your comments are not about the graphics at all. You made a couple of comments about the relationship between the marketing CGI and the ones in the released film. What else? That is why I'm saying that you really have not said much about the graphics.
From my point of view ...
The pacing of the landing and people's understanding of what was happening was very believable.
The war machines were exceedingly well animated. The dynamics of their movement in the scenery very well done.
Any lack of detail in background scenery, I didn't notice because I was not looking for that. In my experience, this is quite common in ALL movies that simulate some environment.
The scene of carnage outside the mother's house with a downed airplane, quite horrific, well done.
The remote eye in the basement was exceedingly well done, reminded me of the very impressive aquatic remote in "The Abyss".
The horrific mix of organic and mechanical features in the human cage again nicely done.
etc. etc. etc.
"OK, I am all knowing, all seeing and am never wrong about anything .... your turn.
Just kidding,"Looks like there are several of us. ;-)
"The problem I have is that I am familiar with the H.G. Wells story, I am a long time SF fan both in reading and in films,"
I share your problem.
" my line of work is robotics, often in military applications, and I thought the effects here were fantastic. As they were in Minority Report. I guess I'm a bit surprised you didn't notice."
I did notice. But for me good effects are not a sufficient remedy for bad story telling and i thought this was very bad story telling. It's like really good icing on a cake of crap.
"Looking back, most of your comments are not about the graphics at all."
That was because I was so bothered by the problems I cited in this movie. But if you want my opinion on the effects I thought most of them were excellent. Some of the destruction sequences looked rough and jerky almost like stop motion but the tripods seemed to always look quite good and sometmes they looked extremely convincing. I thought the artwork was excellent. Nice cross between H.G. Wells vision and a modern techno look.
" You made a couple of comments about the relationship between the marketing CGI and the ones in the released film. What else?"
That comment was only in regards to the King Kong preview. I don't think War of the Worlds showed any CGI in their previews.
" That is why I'm saying that you really have not said much about the graphics."Well, Now I have said a bit more.
"From my point of view ...
The pacing of the landing and people's understanding of what was happening was very believable."
I had a problem with that. Two problems no less. I like to have a little more time to get to know the characters. Spielberg seemed to do the bare minimum for this. So they threw a baseball back and forth while bitching at each other and the girl acted older and wiser than her age. I didn't buy any of it and didn't care about these characters. Kind of kills the drama when one doesn't care about the main characters when they face danger. The other big problem. Um these robots were already here in the ground. why? Makes no sense whatsoever. Now consider the fact that they really weren't *that* far under the ground and there were how many of them? At least one under the city TC lived in. No one ever found one by chance or while drilling for water,oil or other things were look for under the ground? Sorry but it was a poor decision for the sake of a cool effects sequence. The effects are supposed to service the story not the other way around."The war machines were exceedingly well animated. The dynamics of their movement in the scenery very well done."
Yeah, they were cool.
"Any lack of detail in background scenery, I didn't notice because I was not looking for that."
I didn't notice it either. But again, I think tht was about the King Kong preview not War of the Worlds.
" In my experience, this is quite common in ALL movies that simulate some environment."
If it exists then it is a flaw. If it is noticeble then it is a bad flaw. These things are fair game when critiquing visual efects. I don't think that was a problem with War of the Worlds."The scene of carnage outside the mother's house with a downed airplane, quite horrific, well done."
Good set dressing no doubt. But how the hell did a commercial airplane get there overnight? That was a huge inconsistancy in this movie. Things don't work, now they work, now they don't. i hate that kind of stuff. The planes would have gone down when the watches and cars stopped working. No commercial planes would have taken off after that. Yet *that* plane crashed, on the house TC and family were staying in no less, about 12 hours after the initial attack of the aliens. No way. Now lets talk about TC beng the only guy in a big city who figured out how to fix a car. stupid. How about the twenty near death experiences he and the family had in fleeing from the initial attack. ridiculous. That works for Raiders of the lost Ark because that movie was an tribute to Saturday matinee serials. War of the Worlds was not. We were expected to suspend our disbelief not revel in it. Spielberg just presented one bad cliche after another. People can't run from a fireball!!!
"The remote eye in the basement was exceedingly well done, reminded me of the very impressive aquatic remote in "The Abyss"."
I liked in the Abyss. Felt like it was a cheap copy of that scene to a degree. Actually this was one of two scenes that were directly adapted from the first movie. But Spielberg managed to turn it stupid. So they hide behind a mirror and TC slips and makes a noise and his foot can be seen from behind the mirror. but no, it was a trick and TC cleverly swtched his foot with an empt old boot. I can alway find an empty boot when trying to hide myself. Ridiculous! A cheap trick using camara angles. No way those people could have gotten out from behind that mirror while that eye was right infront of them looking for them. Just a cheap trick for a cheap twist. Stupid. Lets not forget that TC and Tim Robins mangaed to have a silent wrestling match while they all played hide and seek with this high tech probe. As if this thing wouldn't have motion detector sensery or infra red technology or any other number of ways to easily detect the presence of people. All very stupid when all is said and done."he horrific mix of organic and mechanical features in the human cage again nicely done."
Looked good but again made no sense. Why were the people being fried during the first attack if they had significant value as fertilizer? Cheap twist. The effects, the action are there to suit the moment but when you step back they are cheats, inconsistancies. If you want to embelish the original story you better make it consistant and logical rather than just using it as dressing to service an unsupported twist.
"etc, etc, etc..."
Ditto. I could also go on and on.
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