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In Reply to: Eyes Without a Face---Georges Franju´s film-------- posted by patrickU on December 25, 2005 at 09:42:40:
I will take "not very good" from Franju over the best of many others who work in film.So "Le Sang des Betes" is also on the Criterion disc? Hello, Netflix! I heard about this short in David A. Cook's "A History of Narrative Film." I will have to check it out.
Merci boucoup!
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I would suggest taking another look at Le Sang descriptions first. Although... modern times have changed our perception. A few weeks ago someone posted links on Outside to the Russian web site, where they contained absolutely graphic videos of Chechen rebels depacitating Russian soldiers with butcher knife. None of that sanitized CNN stuff, just the videos taken by the savages, of torture, mutulation... I was able to sit through one, probably one of the most gruesom videos, others there could not even do that much.The real question is - should normal humans subject themselves to such gore? In Le Sang it is not really cruelty (is a slaugherhouse really cruel? Are we canibals?), but the net result is the same.
At any rate, I am inclined to take such things in ***severe*** moderation, as they do tend to throw me off balance.
BTW... When I was about 17 I had to go to the real slaughterhouse, in a small town, so it was not really mechanized, and perhaps as real as it ever gets.
For some reason I do not recall being shaken that much, even though I watched them process several animals from beginning to the end, washing the floor. In some respect it was even fascinating, and definitely more educational... like watching brain surgery from 4 feet years later.
Then why do those images disturb us more when they are presented on screen?
For the animals being slaughtered it is certainly cruelty. Well if you see this pictures, you would not have not doubt about it.
Animals can scent the parfum of death.
I was too visiting a slaughterhouse at the age of twelve, and I had the same lack of reaction, but I think that was only in the surface. And kids are much more cruel than old goats.
Images give us maybe the sentiment of impotence, more than instantly real can.
Maybe.
Yes on the Criterion disc. See my post to Victor. This film is a wonderful time frozen frame.
For the one who can get through...I could not. Or I would have to become a vegetarian...Again...You are most welcome!
Although unlike you and Victor I have not visited a slaughterhouse, I used to frequently visit my grandparents who lived in rural Oklahoma. There I would feed the chicken I would be served the next day. I also heard one grandfather complain about minks tearing up his garden, and how, if it weren't for their coats, there would be no good reason for them at all. Except for beef and seasonings etc, my grandparents got almost everything they ate and served from their small acreage.Today there is a Tyson chicken processing plant behind one grandfather's home. Yes, one can smell something there...
There seems to be an enormous disconnect between us and what we eat today...certainly between me and what I eat (the closest I've been to a cow in years is picking up my beef at the supermarket)! Our ancestors hunted and fished and did things to meat that make us swoon today and were grateful for the opportunity to do so (especially during and after the Civil War and during the Depression). But what will happen to vegans if we discover plants "feel" and feel pain the way animals do? At what level do we close our eyes to the fear and suffering of other creatures and justify our own existence?
It is not that I "look forward" to seeing the Franju film...rather...it is rare that any work really allows for the generation and expression of these thoughts.
But I am a huge fan of "Eyes Without a Face"...the poetry in the horror of the scientific method repeated over and over again without success. The eyes with such pain in them...
Again, thanks for the tip on the Criterion DVD!
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