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...'Syriana' (big oil, CIA - villians), 'Good Night and Good Luck' (anti-McCarthy), 'Brokeback Mountain' (homosexuality), 'Walk the Line" (drugs, infidelity), 'Constant Gardener' (big business drug company villian), 'Glory Road' (anti-racism), etc.Are the liberals just more creative?
Or is it just a backlash against the current government?
Where are all the right-wing films ('Passion of the Christ' is all I can recall recently)?
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It a new form of explotation for the liberal/monority dollar.Back in the 70's I saw a black film director talking about Blackplotation movies of the time (Shaft and such). He was calling for blacks to not go see them. He said while the hero is beating up whitey and smooching with his girlfriend it's the white producers and financiers making all the money.
This money making ruse just changes shape and form over time but remains the same. Draw cash out of the box office.
How do you perceive art in general? Which are the liberal as opposed to the conservative painters, sculptors and composers?Why do you think that the only times in history when artists made anything from what we would call a 'conservative' perspective were when they were compelled [even coerced] to do so by a repressive political regime?
Of course the real danger in this exercise is discovering that your views are actually based on lies and not any real human truth....:)
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There was Triumph of the Will and The Green Berets, but not sure I'd call them good films.
... any film in which a strong individual is the main focus of the "salvation" of a threat is right wing.
All films about non conformist cops, soldiers etc.
The Fountainhead.Why was The Green Berets right-wing? Lots of left-wing people supported the war in Viet-Nam. Like LBJ and Meaney.
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...seems like he was a non-conformist and the local right-wing fascist law enforcement folks tried to harrass and humiliate him.Not sure that's a pro-conservative theme.
This society is f upped if you haven't noticed. Way longer than this administration. But this administration is bringing things more towards 1984 and the Matrix than any other.I know people who recently emigrated from an African country and they want to go back. Who the f wants to live with the bulshit here? Many other countries have better living now. May our way of living not spread.
I can tell you why there are no pro-racism movies. Because only a few white supremacists and neo-Nazis would go to see them and they wouldn't make much money. There is pro-racism music out there. It doesn't sell very well.
whose topic this was?
are too busy watching "Desperate Housewives" to go to the movies.
Its about opposition to a right wing extremist hell bent of destroying democracy
You wouldn't have to be left wing to oppose that.
Even some right wingers are actually democratic, you know.
"...'Syriana' (big oil, CIA - villians), 'Good Night and Good Luck' (anti-McCarthy), 'Brokeback Mountain' (homosexuality), 'Walk the Line" (drugs, infidelity), 'Constant Gardener' (big business drug company villian), 'Glory Road' (anti-racism), etc."There are gay conservatives, conservative drug adicts conservatives that ar actually anti-racism and conservatives who cheat on their spouses.
"Are the liberals just more creative?"
Well creative people tend to be more liberal so in effect yes."Or is it just a backlash against the current government?"
Syriana certainly is. Ditto Constant Gardner. Walk the line? C'mon. Redneck Bush lovers dig Johnny Cash. that was hardly a "back lash against the government" movie.
"Where are all the right-wing films"
You can find a steady stream of them from Utah and other similar sources. You have to seek them out because they are generally sooooo bad they simply cannot be marketed outside of their niche.
" ('Passion of the Christ' is all I can recall recently)?"
How was that a conservative movie? Jesus was an anti etablishment rebel. I am always amused when consrvaties embrass this character. Were he real and around today the same people who flocked to see The Pasion would hate the man.
Bad men shoot people. Good family man get gun shoot back. Kill bad men.Good man wife grows distant.
Mob men tries to rough up good man and family. Good man gets gun kills bad mob men.
Good man's wife appears to let avenging hero back into family.
Pretty right wing.
I think Anti McCarthyism is bi partisan.
Munich didn't appear to be leftist.
Match Point didn't appear to have a particular political agenda. Nor did Broken Flowers. Both excellent movies
Syrianna sure as Hell did. Still OK in my book.
Good movies are good movies, period. Unless the politics are the top, I don't let them bother me. And a bad movie is a bad movie. Even if it has a conservative bent, I wouldn't waste my time on it.
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Don't you write those nice reviews in Tas? Or are you someone else?Most of these movies seem like "human" stories to me. I find this kind of reductionist thinking a bit puzzling.
Lets take GN&GL for example. I don't think Joe McCarthy has many true defenders these days even on the right. Moreover, that film is really about a crisis of conscience by the media: the media's failure to ask tough questions and provide quality reporting about anybody - left, right or center - and the dangers of ignoring such failure.
Since when are drugs and infidelity the sole territory of "liberals"? How do you get more conservative than classic country singers?
Homosexuality is a human condition - I know both liberal and conservative gay people.
Constant Gardner, although it certainly uses the background of wrongdoing by a big drug-maker, is actually about the individual journey the Ralph Fiennes character takes in discovering the sould and identity of his late wife - and the personal redemption he find in finally truly "knowing" her. BTW, if you aren't aware of the drug testing scandals that have occured in the past in Africa, you haven't been paying much attention.
Syriana, yup, I grant you, that one takes some well aimed pot shots at the policies and conduct of the current administration, which richly deserves them. But poor intelligence, culture clash, corporate greed and short-sighted U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is hardly the sole preserve of the right wing. It's been a long road to hell...although Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz et al certainly hit a new low in these areas as far as I'm concerned.
I don't consider myself a liberal (whatever the hell that is), but the right has moved so far to the extreme that I'm ashamed to call myself a conservative anymore.
I just like good movies, dincha know.
More and more you hear the discussions of "subject matter" and not artistic means, as justification for loving/not loving films.When you see all those ribbons prominently displayed at Oscars, you can't help but wonder what played most important role in selection.
Well, not really... as we know all that already.
***I'm ashamed to call myself a conservative anymore.
How about I help you out by calling myself a conservative TWICE?
I am simply not ashamed to be white, male, conservative, married, with kid, with job, education, etc, etc, etc.
Ah, sorry... no hair... but perhaps you could forgive me for this little transgression? I mean, between the us two conservatives?
Would it not be interesting to have the competing outfit, a conservative Hollywood?Do you think the revenues would have gone full tilt in its direction overnight?
There are some strong indications they would.
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of good crime stuff, with peripheral African-American characters but no "leads," to balance out the overwhelming numbers of people of color criminals.
What you label liberal actually is just accurate.
Oil companies don't think of profits, first? The ME isn't a massive repository of oil? We didn't invade Iraq twice over trumped up reasons? The Bush family's fortune isn't in oil?
Cowboys are never gay?
Film provides an opportunity for the minority voice to be heard.
Does it trouble you that our tv fare almost exclusively is conservative? How many talk shows are "lefty?"
Anyhow, everyone knows artists are all gay and liberal, right?
...we all know that Fox News provides fair and balanced reporting.Right.
Uhuh.
Don't know if I would classify it as a right-wing film, but "Serenity", the best science fiction film of 2005, has a large conservative fan base as does the television series "Firefly". Pro-gun, anti-big government, positive characterization of Christianity(in the character Shepherd Book), focus on self-reliance, and the danger of trying to alter human nature are some of the elements that appeal to conservatives. The portrayal of prostitution probably irritates some religious conservatives, but since libertarians are considered right-wing by most liberals, I suppose even that portrayal could be viewed as right-wing.
I didn't see Walk The Line; what were Cash's politics?
Might just be a REpubLICan troll!
Why is that a conservative picture? I'm a liberal Democrat trade unionist and a Catholic; that a picture about ole JC is considered conservative by many liberals is an example of how fucked-up modern Liberalism is. No wonder we have trouble winning elections.Some of these "social" Liberals better get down off their high-horse and start getting with the masses. Remember them, the masses? Being in tune with them used to be what being a Liberal was about.
Fucking social Liberals, I hate them almost as much as I hate Conservatives.
are two that might fit that ticket
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As well as everything else they 'bushwacked'.As always.
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1) Are the liberals just more creative?YES; it is our burdon in life, I guess. ;^)
2) Or is it just a backlash against the current government?
YES, again; actually the current trends in film are a combination of both (1 & 2)! The number of films reflecting social issues and opposition to the current Administration's policies reflect both consumer attitudes and the more Liberal/moderate leanings of the film going public generally.
3) Where are all the right-wing films ('Passion of the Christ' is all I can recall recently)?
Have you seen The Chronic Ills of Nurdia, yet? All sorts of conservative christian allegory are woven into the C. S. Lewis story; unchallenging, sanitized Disney pablum for Conservatively reared kids and parents who don't mind turning their brains off for 2 1/2 hours.
BTW, The Passion was a fluke and did not represent typical film audience attendence. There was an actual campaign to make this film profitable. Churches rented out theaters and bought up huge lots of tickets to push sales up, and this was racheted up by the publicity given the more controversial aspects of the film.
The Chonicles of Narnia (one reviewer called it Lord of The Rings meets The Passion), used the same PR Firm as The Passion & was marketed to bible-thumpers as a "safe" fantasy alternative to Harry Potter for their nagging kids, which some church groups have attacked and cautioned parents against taking their kids to see because of the sympathetic depictions of wizards and it's healthier relativistic view of life.
AuPh
> Have you seen The Chronic Ills of Nurdia, yet? All sorts of conservative christian allegory are woven into the C. S. Lewis story; unchallenging, sanitized Disney pablum for Conservatively reared kids and parents who don't mind turning their brains off for 2 1/2 hours.I don't quite understand the seemingly, erm, religious antangonism to Narnia. I thought it was an OK movie, not as good as some of the better Potter films, but it's a first effort, and targeted at a somewhat younger crowd.
It seems that, with a certain segment of the population, a simple formula exists:
Anything by Disney == BAD
Anything sympathetic to Christianity == BAD
Anything that bugs Pat Robertson == GOODOK, I might agree with the last one, but really, compairing Narnia's (seemingly) simplistic morality to Potter's *slightly* more complicated version seems disingenuous.
Think about it:
Voldemort == Ice Queen/Jadis (She has a more complicated history in the books)
Harry == Peter
Hermionie == Lucy
Ron == Edmund (More or less)Hmmm, seperation from parents, relying on onself, evil==bad, friendship==good, jealousy, betrayal, magic... Yeah, Potter is so much more advanced a movie ;)
Your comments are quite accurate as far as they go. FTR though, I don't hate christianity, just the kind of overzealous religious fanaticism that encourages the imposition of religious dogma into every facet of folk's lives. It has gotten to the point where folks who don't wear their religious values on their sleeves are ostrasized and denied equal treatment.As far as Narnia is concerned, I dislike most contemporary Disney fare with the exception of Jerry Bruckheimer collaborative efforts; part of my reasoning is that Disney has become a pandering, scheming, opportunistic empire, less interested in good film fare as underscoring the bottom line. Walt Disney, the late visionary who once was the last word in all things Disney, is but a memory to the corporate Disney empire, but his poor remains must be spinning like barbecue on a rotisserie spic.
> > > "Anything by Disney == BAD" < < <
I'm deeply concerned about what may happen to Pixar now that it's apparently being purchased by Disney, the only saving grace being that as part of the deal Steve Jobs will own controling interest of Disney which may help rebuild the collapsing Mouse House from the ground up.
> > > "Anything sympathetic to Christianity == BAD" < < <
I admit that part of my problem with christianity is a personal bias against the imposition of religious values[sic] on secular life, and I see this reflected so much in both the political and cultural arena these days that I'm sick of it. It's not that I'm intolerant and unsympathetic to the freedom of religion or christianity in general, it's just that I don't like seeing the imposition of anyone else's religious values on myself and others. My problem with Narnia is probably the source material since I've heard that much of CS Lewis's christian symbolism has been taken out.
Nevertheless, the sons of Adam and daughters of Eve remark coming from a fantasy character established in an alternative fantasy world was the first major strike against this film for me. But setting the religious allegory aside there are so many other moan-worthy moments. For instance, there was a CGI ice floe scene that would leave Lillian Gish's remains screaming foul even from her final resting place & haunting the script-writers with questions about why the kids didn't take the same route above the floe as the more intelligent wolf that cut them off.
If that were not enough, then there's the lion/christ resurrection & the sanitized war. And what about an underdog army led by bickering children unskilled in warfare who miraculously manage to pick up combat skills overnight? Then there's that bloodless war waged against an over-the-top ice queen & her superior army, all done with "marvelously" BAD, inconsistant CGI effects and a mish-mash of both studio and second unit outdoor shots that are so poorly matched that the inconsistency draws attention to itself. *SIGH*
None of this hogwash is Hogwart worthy, naturally. In fact, it wouldn't even merit a spit shine on Harry Potter's shoes. As you can see though, my criticism of this film isn't entirely related to it's religious subtext.
> > > "Anything that bugs Pat Robertson == GOOD" < < <
Especially if it's were a government wiretap (grin), but I'd wager he wouldn't have a problem with everyone else being tapped!
> > > "OK, I might agree with the last one..." < < <
I'll toast your good health on that note.
Cheers,
AuPh
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Fuhgedaboutit!
...Conservatives should be going in droves and recommending it to all of their flat-line NeoCon friends! ;^DCheers;
AuPh
..are fantasies.
Does that answer your question?
And who's to say the movies you listed are "good"? Popular, yes, but good? I don't trust the circle-jerk awards. I find most of the "serious cinema" (read- tripe) coming out of Hollywood to be pandering and inane.The upcoming series from the Chronicles of Narnia series will be depicting conservative and moral lessons. The LOTR series was also basically conservative in its main plot. But both C S Lewis and JR Tolkein were Christians.
... a left wing viewpoint?
I am flabberghasted!! And I don't use that word very often!
Even by the extreme right wing values prevalent in the USA, surely the overall position of mainstream Hollywood is pretty centrist.
Or right wing to most of the world.
In fact, Tolkein made a point of denouncing those who tried to cook his works as some sort of religious allegorical porridge. I attended a panel at one convention several years ago where knowledgeable folks were discussing LoTR and one of the panelists had known Tolkein personally and interviewed the man. Apparently Tolkein stated unequivocally that he intended no agenda in or religious allegory in those literary works; he just wanted to tell a good yarn. Other's have drawn those conclusions and misconceptions.As for LoTR being a "Conservative film" I would almost concur, but only from the standpoint of people coming together to fight a common foe and making sacrifice. The subtle sarcasm directed to the Conservative resistance to change in the Shire, mixing races (elves & humans), overcoming prejudice (Hobbits as less vulnerable to the power of the Ring) and fairness through trust in our better selves are more Liberal concepts.
> > > "The upcoming series from the Chronicles of Narnia series will be depicting conservative and moral lessons." < < <
That's why it's hogwash; wiser, more intellectually stimulated viewers will stick with Hogwarts! :o)
AuPh
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