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In Reply to: RE: Chris, there are no poor in America, really--- at least none that posted by tinear on January 23, 2010 at 16:58:36
"Lazy, drunk, drug-addicted, and criminal: that's our "poor."
I could argue it's the same over here in the UK and that does make up a large percentage, though on the other hand there's a lot of people been laid off work or the companies they worked for have gone into liquidation so there are genuine cases and plenty of them.
Laying that aside however, the list of ailments which would prevent somebody from getting health insurance seems preposterous, and just taking a controllable illness such as diabetes as an example would preclude millions.
It surely can't be the case that anyone with diabetes is basically up shit creek without a paddle if they have a complication due to their condition, can it?
Now because I know Michael Moore is a manipulator of emotions, I was mentally filtering through all the repetitive points he was making and the extreme cases which won't have been commonplace.
Even so, I can't imagine that any objective opinion of anyone in a developed country would not be quite frankly appalled at the lack of care available for those least able to afford it.
The sight of a woman being dumped by one hospital outside another was shocking, no matter if she was an alcoholic or drug addict.
If it's acceptable that this should happen because some individuals are deemed worth the effort, then fair enough but the US Government shouldn't try to convince itself that the US is a Christian country anymore.
It's a company.
Now I understand that Barrack Obama is coming under a lot of criticism for his proposed Health reforms which I'm assuming includes some form of free health care, and again I'm shocked that anyone could have any issues with this apart from the drugs companies who apparently have almost every politician on their payroll.
Probably far more to it than I can see, but from the outside it really does seem...shocking.
Today is a gift - that's why it's called the Present.
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
among the middle and upper classes but, because of their family and resources, they can continue on, i.e. treatment, leaves of absence, loans, allow life to be placed on hold.
Also, many offenders come from the poorer ranks and their incarcerations then keep them from finding employment upon release; society seemingly says they've paid their debt but it really ain't so. During their internment, their families also suffer and it doesn't take a Dickens to realize the ripple-effect. Keep in mind that many poor are jailed from drug-related offenses, the same kind that the rich and middle classes are exempt from or at best are remanded to treatment and care facilities.
Lastly, we have a 50% divorce rate in this country. The largest percentage of the poor at any time are moms with kids and NO male provider--- and a significant number of these women are divorcees with court-awarded alimony/child support but with no collections because of a huge class of male, the "delinquent dad." The women bear the burden of child rearing and are pejoratively labeled by conservatives whereas the dads skip all mention.
Any society also has a significant percentage of folks who are mentally ill enough so as to be unemployable; it doesn't take a very serious emotional problem to make a person undependable or ill-tempered enough to preclude any socialization on a regular basis.
Lastly, a capitalist society needs a 5% unemployment figure so that there are bodies available for growth and to keep the wages down. This isn't debatable, it is taught in Economics 101.
At any rate, it is interesting that in the richest country the world has ever seen, the most popular of modern presidents, Ron Reagan, made a career out of blasting the poor.
Yes it does strike me that single Mums (Moms!) would be the least able to afford healthcare through no fault of their own, and 'Sicko' really did elaborate on the facts which I sort of knew but assumed mustn't really be the case in the US as no society would put up with such a blatantly unfair system for so long.
Now I hear that Obama is coming in for a lot of flack for wanting to provide some form of free healthcare for all, and again as an outsider looking in I just assume it must be a small minority of higher-ups on the Drugs companies payroll giving him flack as surely the majority would welcome such a move.
Of course, I'd imagine that with their tentacles spread all through Congress, the drugs companies will be scare-mongering that America can't afford free health-care (when virtually every other country can) and that such health-care will result in massive waiting lists, poorer care etc when nothing of the sort has to apply if well implemented.
It truly is shocking that it's taken so long for a president to drive this forward, and shocking that anyone openly criticising such a drive isn't shamed by the public and pilloried.
Today is a gift - that's why it's called the Present.
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
Unfortunately, Obama really didn’t propose much of anything as far as health care reform other than charging Congress with the responsibility of drafting health care reform legislation. He proposed a general concept and has provided little or no leadership, and the resulting disasters that were drafted in the House and the Senate are nothing more than a list of individual proposals related to health care that will only make things more complicated, and therefore more costly and impractical. Except, of course, for the fact that nothing will get passed in Congress because the public is so afraid of “socializing” anything except for corporate bailouts.
Obama at no time has proposed any type of nationalized health care, and has backed off any proposals that might even seem like such a proposal. The majority of the US public seems perfectly comfortable with the current disaster because the majority of the people don’t really use the “system” much and have no idea how bad things really are, and won’t until they lose their job when they’re in their 50’s and realize that they can’t buy health insurance for less than $3,000/month and they will be headed straight for bankruptcy if they encounter any serious health issues prior to qualifying that awful socialized program, Medicare.
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