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In Reply to: RE: This was one of his funniest movies ... posted by RGA on January 24, 2010 at 22:16:06
"Michael's case that there are plenty of things already socialized, libraries, police, fire, education is also correct."
To add to your example, what happens when the fire-service carry some kid out of a burning house suffering from smoke inhalation?
Does the ambulance have to check the details of their health insurance before taking them to a hospital?
Exactly what does happen if someone has an accident in the US and doesn't have health insurance?
What a state of affairs.
Today is a gift - that's why it's called the Present.
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
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Well I can tell you a story. My friend's dad is quite wealthy but imagine if you were the "average person". He is a Canadian male around 50 and went on holiday to Las Vegas. In Canada you should buy travel insurance but sometimes they don't tell you about it but I always buy huge travel insurance when going to the U.S.
Anyway - he had a sudden heart problem not a heart attack but skipped beats etc. He went to the hospital - had three injection of some liquid - each injection cost $6,000.00 I hope it was liquid diamonds because that is truly shocking - 4 nights in the hospital, ambulance service and the bill came to over $50,000. I can tell you that that would put me into bankruptcy.
My friend's dad is wealthy as I say so he could cover that but wow.
With Canada's travel medical insurance the Canadian government will foot the bill up to about 2 million (which still may not be enough for all I know).
I don't understand the logical of someone who makes a million dollars a year after tax who could not be just as happy with $900,000? But what is more idiotic is that there are Americans who make about $30,000 a year who have no coverage or coverage that if they ever need major surgery will be deemed incomplete coverage - these are the people who vote against free medical - based on what logic? There is absolutely no good reason for any of the middle class to vote against a free medical system - the ONLY people who have a problem with it would be big business - who make a profit on their employees dying.
I suppose small businesses might have some issues but I looked at the proposal and it seems to me it would benefit most small business financially - and may help them not lose employees over a lack of care offered.
I think the main issue is that people get into black and white debates - Capitalism good - socialism bad - free healthcare is socialism therefore healthcare bad - I am picturing neanderthal man with a club. Of course the typical voter against doesn't believe in Neanderthal man - the bones are just a test of faith.
But hey it's up to the American public - I just wish an independent non propagandist well respected team on both right and left in the states would clearly and fairly conduct a report in easy to understand factual points about what it's all about. I think Moore was more right than he was wrong but he tends to take the best examples of things - granted he is using hyperbole to make the point and to be entertaining but unfortunately if you have a film of 100 facts and he is wrong about just ONE of them the detractors will throw out the other 99 even if they are 100% correct.
The treatment of firefighters and those who helped on 9/11 was also a pathetic act by their government.
It is genuinely a mystery to me how any proposal for free health-care could be successfully opposed, and how any individual could be shame faced enough to speak out against it.
Also, how the heck can drug companies be allowed to profiteer in the manner they do and basically take the p**s out of the public?
If Michael Moore told any lies in his documentaries I'm sure he'd be sued in an instance so unless anyone tells me otherwise I'm assuming he told the truth although of course he does have an agenda and will exaggerate to make a point.
Today is a gift - that's why it's called the Present.
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
...In the US, it is better to accept death (due to lack of funds) than it is to have life forced upon you by the gubment. Just another manifestation of the savage free (not) market capitalism we love to practice in the US.
To me If I were an American I would want it ALL. Isn't that even better than capitalism -- How about Socio-capitalism.
Have free healthcare, university education to PHD, free bus service, when you're sick you're sick - unlimited days if necessary, etc etc - AND have a free market system for all the "gravy" items.
With some effort it can be attained - unfortunately it boils down to party politics - even if Obama does something that a Republican president would do - they will still be all over him disagreeing with it. That's the problem - the notion that he's a democrat - I vote republican - therefore "everything" Obama does is 100% wrong. That's a problem
The partisanship you describe is indeed a problem in the US at the moment. Another problem is the fear and greed sentiment so prevalent these days. Yeah, you'll see short term spurts of charity such as with Haiti but when it comes to long term financial "sacrifice", "no-way, no-how" is the attitude. Personally, I'd be willing to see my personal income reduced by say 20% if it could help assure an overall, long term wellness of the nation thru a comprehensive, nationalized health care program, universal low cost post secondary education and so on. When I mention this to my friends, they think I'm nuts.
Overall, I believe the inability of the US to plan for the long term in vital areas such as health care and a sustainable economy will be its undoing.
Back to films.
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I've been fact-checking the movie for the last half an hour and basically Moore has stuck to the truth.
Here's a reminder of the most relevant facts.
Today is a gift - that's why it's called the Present.
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
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