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Disturbing and dark and a masterpiece.
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I just watched this for the first time (on Blu-Ray, of course). I'm a big Haneke fan, but this one blew me away like none of his other movies.
I don't agree with Tin that the disappearance of Mrs Wagner scene was a flaw. On the contrary, I see it as being in character with all other behaviours exhibited in the movie.
Does anyone else think the movie was also an examination of the mentality which lead to Nazism? Or is that just me being over-analytical?
about the religious beliefs which may have made them inevitable, in that society.
Haneke is a very serious film maker whose subject matter sometimes belies a far deeper, wider vision, i.e. "Funny Games" isn't just about two murderous young men.
Almost forgot.
Well I am not a big fan, I respect his work of course, but in the end of it is always some kind of depressing.
And of course, it is the way children have been raised who ended in the Nazism.
Preussiche Erziehung.
What the children do here is the start of the atrocities made in Hitler.
As for Tin he was drunk...
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Now it was an answer, a joke for the Hard-on.
Maybe you should read the whole before...
...related to your comment about tinear, which I took to be of a forgiving or explanatory nature. Nothing to do with what I think of your condition.I find it pretty hard to tell if someone is drunk from 3000 miles away, so it's a consideration I seldom think to make. It's easy enough for me to sometimes make an ass of myself while sober. Why complicate it further?
Edits: 04/26/10
Oh boy. I was wondering that it could not be you, but it was. I am glad it was not!!!!
Excellent post. I found you again.
near the end, why did no one go into the house sooner to realize the woman had gone? There is NO way with kids at risk someone wouldn't have.
There's no way around that flaw.
It amazed me.
You has to go back in the mentality of the time before world one. Not understanding by today standards where children are over protected.
Second it adjust fully in the story, methink.
The problem is you.
Watch it again. It works....."stunning" Is that, like, the new, like, ......."awesome"?
Stunning is so overused an adjective it has become tepid. Mundane. You've become equally boring and automatic. You could do this stuff in your sleep. Why bother?
How'd that chicken leg turn out? No doubt it would have benefited from some of Lars' "stunning" $175 bottle of white.
You guys are so much alike.
Edits: 04/24/10 04/24/10
Christine gave me too much Cremant d `Alsace ...Till later..
sdfa
It has nothing to do of your liking or not.
The allegory is what you has sorely missed it seems.
But now with Rose dŽott, bye bye...
born in Germany but educated in Austria and White Ribbon may be an examination of how Catholicism allows for more forgiveness, an assuagement of conscience, that Protestantism does not.
Again, allegory or not, a film with a logical narrative must be consistent. In a major, critical part of the film, a ridiculously unbelievable event occurs, and yet the film is built--- meticulously--- upon a solid, logical framework.
illogical human behavior. The film was full of it.
SPOILER
discussing the disappearance, those folks wouldn't just go and get into the house instead of waiting days. It is a logical impossibility but it does nicely allow the director to make the ending he felt was needed.
It was a narrative mistake, not uncommon. What makes this one remarkable is its size and placement.
...is in your hasty, incomplete incorporation of the "linear narrative" that is THERE.
Also - now - there's your typical intransigence for reconsideration of your position.Haneke spent years in the preparation and making of this film. He approved of every aspect of it before release. There has been serious, lengthy critical and public attention/examination given the film. No one else sees what you see. Think about it.
Watch it again with an open mind. It's critical to follow who had what knowledge, their condition of mind relative to leading events, timing, etc. Break it down; it makes sense. You'll benefit from it.
There was a time when a deeper, more revelatory exchange and discussion on such a question would have been interesting and fruitful to me and to others (I think) here. Your aggressive, exclusive, declarative manner has to a large extent poisoned the atmosphere. Film viewing is not a competition.
"Ridiculous" = worthy of ridicule. Are you so dull and remote in your sensibilities that you can imagine that someone is going to be interested in helping you to understand something, to explain something, to provide something you want when you begin by telling them they are worthy of ridicule for possessing what you lack, for knowing something you don't, for having a differing opinion? Unbelievable.
There's a difference between one-sidedly proclaiming a "major flaw" and in asking a fellow film lover to share insight into what you may have missed in a single viewing of a complex and exceedingly personal expression of cinematic art.
Would you presume to declare a "major flaw" in a Picasso? In a work of Stravinsky's?
Peaceful viewing to you.
Edits: 04/25/10 04/25/10 04/25/10 04/25/10
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