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In Reply to: RE: I like his sense of cinematography but agree with you that he is sophomoric posted by Jazz Inmate on July 25, 2011 at 22:47:53
"The epitome of Stone is Natural Born Killers, in which he criticizes the sensationalism of violence in popular culture by...making one of the most sensationalistic, gratuitously violent films in movie history. Thereby becoming a shining example of the trash he thought he was cleverly criticizing."
I think that was intentional on his part. I don't think he wasn't aware of the revulsion the movie would arouse in the audience.
It's like the logic employed by the serial killer (as voiced by Kevin Spacy) in 'Seven' on gluttony.
"He did it in Born on the Fourth of July, too, with the way he filmed the wheelchair. I could stomach sitting through his films 20 years ago, to enjoy those brief moments. Now I don't have the patience.:
I concurr.
> > I think that was intentional on his part. I don't think he wasn't aware of the revulsion the movie would arouse in the audience. < <
But it didn't arouse revulsion. It was embraced by the MTV generation as a cult classic in the way these same chumps would soon embrace Tarantino, further advancing gratuitive violence in popular culture.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
"But it didn't arouse revulsion." - Jazz inmate
"The epitome of Stone is Natural Born Killers, in which he criticizes the sensationalism of violence in popular culture by...making one of the most sensationalistic, gratuitously violent films in movie history. Thereby becoming a shining example of the trash he thought he was cleverly criticizing." - Jazz inmate
...and you weren't the only one.
"It was embraced by the MTV generation as a cult classic in the way these same chumps would soon embrace Tarantino, further advancing gratuitive violence in popular culture."
Now, I think you're being too harsh on Tarantino. I don't find him to be in the same league as Stone. Unlike Stone, he does care about his characters, and don't use them simply as tools for engaging in 'chain yanking' like Stone.
He quickly took the mantle in using graphic violence gratuitously. But you're right that he's a different animal.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Trying to outdo the last guy, or yourself, is at best banal, tasteless and off-putting. Plus it gives rise to the Eli Roth's of this world.
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