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In Reply to: RE: Not 1080p. That's disapointing. (nt) posted by Jack G on August 19, 2007 at 08:09:44
Plus read the reviews. You don't need 1080p until you get to 60" or larger. Your eye cannot resolve the difference unless you sit unreasonably close.
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Just this past week or so some Pioneer retailers have received the new 50" 1080p units (non-elite model = 5010FD and runs about $1000 more than the 768p unit @ street prices). While I agree with Charlie that at normal viewing differences there probably is not a "pixel count" reason to have 1080p at the 50" size, there are three real benefits in this case:
(i) because of the way the new pioneer's work, the denser pixel structure provides higher contrast ratios (something like 20,000:1 as opposed to 16,000:1 for the 768 unit), at least as reported;
(ii) on the 768 panel, if you hook up a scaler with an exact pixel match (768x1365) to avoid processing in the monitor, it defaults to a computer input as opposed to a video input setting, which bypasses a lot of the set's control features. With the 1080p unit, you can set your scaler to deliver a 1080p (or even 24/1080p signal - which is then displayed as 72/1080p) and should have pixel perfect operation w/ the video controls; and
(iii) who knows, you may like to sit really close, so that the pixel structure of the 768 unit would be visible (but I think that would be something like 4-5 feet away).
The elite counterparts (with the same panel) will be coming shortly too, but they have a different distribution channel and the street pricing is therefore significantly more -- not sure it would be worth it -- not really sure of all the step-up features they offer (a longer warranty and additional calibration features, if I remember correctly).
Hi Charles,
I keeping my eye out for those. Would you think that the regular Pioneer 1080P (new) has the same contrast ratio as the Elite version?
Dennis
< < Would you think that the regular Pioneer 1080P (new) has the same contrast ratio as the Elite version? > >
I don't know for sure, but would assume that it does. I cannot imagine that Pioneer uses different "glass" for each model, as the tooling costs are incredible for that type of product.
I would suggest looking at www.avsforum.com . There are a lot of knuckleheads there when it comes to audio, but for video, they tend to be pretty detail-oriented. If you use the search function, you should be able to get a definitive answer as to the differences between the regular Pioneers and the Elites.
As one of those (sometimes) knuckleheads, the glass is the same. According to the industry guys who were at the Pioneer line shows, the only real differences are some underlying electronics/calibration options, and the longer warranty (and cosmetics, of course). The general consensus over there is that the price difference (especially for actual "street" prices) does not justify going "elite."
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